French President Macron blamed Africans for the slave markets in Libya...

[DrBanneker]

It's complicated because of the leaders they have AND what they accept from their leaders.

In the past there were a few who were determined to fight the West (Lumumba being one example). Look what they did to Zimbabwe.

You need someone with a long term view like the ruling Chinese or some like Mahathir.

"During Mahathir's tenure as Prime Minister, Malaysia experienced a period of rapid modernisation and economic growth, and his government initiated a series of bold infrastructure projects. Mahathir was a dominant political figure, winning five consecutive general elections and fending off a series of rivals for the leadership of UMNO. However, his accumulation of power came at the expense of the independence of the judiciary and the traditional powers and privileges of Malaysia's royalty. He deployed the controversial Internal Security Act to detain activists, non-mainstream religious figures, and political opponents including the Deputy Prime Minister he fired in 1998, Anwar Ibrahim. Mahathir's record of curbing civil liberties and his antagonism towards western interests and economic policy made his relationships with the United States, United Kingdom and Australia, among others, difficult. As Prime Minister, he was an advocate of third-world development and a prominent international activist."

But you can only work with what you have to work with. If you took over Zimbabwe today you would have to get the people to understand and to become stakeholders in your vision. That's difficult because you would have an under-educated, under resourced population who would be with the best will most likely incapable of providing the resources and support needed to ride the international buffeting that any disobedience to the West might bring.

As a minimum Africa could do a better job of exploiting the following..

1. Resources
2. Chinese attention and support
3. The West's need for new markets and cheap labour (brit.).

and I agree they should band together to protect their people abroad.

Mahathir was pretty good but they had the advantage of the West wouldn't fukk with them too much since they were worried about the spread of Communism in Southeast Asia. In the Cold War, as long as you were anti-communist, you could get away with most stuff in your country and still get investment. Thing is, African leaders were mostly socialist, some by conviction but some because the only way you could get support and weapons to fight the colonialists was the Eastern Bloc or China

 

[null]

Mahathir was pretty good but they had the advantage of the West wouldn't fukk with them too much since they were worried about the spread of Communism in Southeast Asia. In the Cold War, as long as you were anti-communist, you could get away with most stuff in your country and still get investment. Thing is, African leaders were mostly socialist, some by conviction but some because the only way you could get support and weapons to fight the colonialists was the Eastern Bloc or China

Africa has China on its side this time.. Or at least as an alternative. Plus the West needs those markets.

Oh well...

 

[DrBanneker]

Africa has China on its side this time.. Or at least as an alternative. Plus the West needs those markets.

Oh well...

They gotta be careful though, especially with France. You saw how France helped push out/topple the leaders in Niger and Cote d'Ivoire partially because they were concerned about them getting too close to China.

 

[Fani Willis fan]

Is it not a fact that Africans put their own people in slave trade,
but AA get called c00ns when they don't claim Africa

 

[null]

They gotta be careful though, especially with France. You saw how France helped push out/topple the leaders in Niger and Cote d'Ivoire partially because they were concerned about them getting too close to China.

Yeah the French.. Things are changing though.. America vs China in Africa - FPIF

 

[call_me_step_daddy]

that whole "africans selling africans" thing reminds me of the "blacks are killing blacks" thing here in america

in both situations, its always a bigger issue as to why its happening, and cacs are the main part of the bigger issue, but until we decide to really come together as one and quit fighting against each other, its gonna continue to happen...BUT, i also believe that even if we did come together, they (cacs) will still eventually try to eliminate & destroy us regardless due to the natural dislike they have for us

 

[BlackJesus]

I'm tired of the whole continent. You sit on all kinds of resources. Can't make adequate use of these resources to better the lives of the people. Can't run countries. Can't protect people. Etc. So what's the point of having these countries since most of them are of no use?

Politicians don't *run* countries. Not even in America are politicians even half-way competent at what they do. You have to create a system where the less they run the better. Let the people handle their daily business.

You could hire mercenaries to easily take these slavers out. Put out a hit on the dark web. There's lots people could do if they wanted to. No need for even an army.

Learn to think outside the box.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

kind of comfortable shouting down to a room filled with africans ain't he?

 

[O³ (O cubed)]

I get your point.

However, we can't keep making excuses for all these countries. Most of them got their independence in the 1960s and 50 years is a long time to at least have something moderate that would be able to take on a failed state like Libya. There's no government there - just some figure-head miscreants appointed by the West, who control less than a 5th of the country. Libya is free for all - not a sovereign country at the moment. It's what Somalia is. The AU was eager to send peacekeepers to Sudan to fight the Janjaweed militants, why can't they do the same with Libya, since what's happening there is reminiscent of the dark history that destroyed the whole continent and what it's yet to recover from?

I'm tired of all African countries. These countries just need to stand up, speak from a position of power with urgency, and show that they care. These people are Africans, not aliens. European countries don't care because they're complicit in it and they're the reason why Libya is the way it's. What are they waiting for? What's the point of having AU when black Africans can be sold brazenly/openly into slavery on the continent in the 21st century? It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's just sad all around.

It took the Europeans the best part of 500 years to get democracy for all. Tens of Millions of people died in the second world war alone. Whenever African leaders have tried to do for Africans they end up dead or exiled. Google the Central African Republic. They tried to make it a Switzerland of Africa. Linking West Africa to the East. The French got involved and it has been a shyt hole ever since.

 

[DrBanneker]

Politicians don't *run* countries. Not even in America are politicians even half-way competent at what they do. You have to create a system where the less they run the better. Let the people handle their daily business.

You could hire mercenaries to easily take these slavers out. Put out a hit on the dark web. There's lots people could do if they wanted to. No need for even an army.

Learn to think outside the box.

Man the last thing Africa needs is more White mercenaries Read about their involvement in the Katanga seccession, both sides of the Biafra War, and the attempted coup in Eq. Guinea.

In any case, invading Libya wouldn't be a good solution. They need to arrest and warn about these traffickers in their own borders. Granted if people want to run, they will use anyone. We have the same trafficker issues on the US Southern border with rape and murder stories abounding. It really is a global problem, including the slavery part. Africa alone shouldn't take the L on this.

 

[null]

Read about their involvement in the Katanga seccession, both sides of the Biafra War, and the attempted coup in Eq. Guinea.

No doubt in Zimbabwe (**ahem** "New Rhodesia") as well.

 

[BlackJesus]

Man the last thing Africa needs is more White mercenaries Africa alone shouldn't take the L on this.

Who said they need to be white?

I agree this L is not only on Africa. But you know our issues get blown way out of proportion and put on blast.

You don't need to invade. You could send in a team of guys (i.e. like special forces) for a surgical strike to take out the slavers and free the hostages. Libya has no real government so what are they going to do?

(Note: If they were white, they'd be called "hostages", so that's what I'm calling them. Don't follow the narrative.)

 

[Claudex]

Do people here even understand that the demographic in Libya is part of why this thing is even happening? Like, does it register on y'alls mind that Gaddafi was a light-skinned Leader for a reason? Libya is not an All black country folks; it's got little French Montana colored negros all over and that makes all the difference. Gaddafi just so happened to care about ALL black people which is why these things were curbed under his rule and you never heard a peep, but now...well, vòi-fukking-la.

Libya is Northern Africa. And Northern Africa (that often lowkey tries to present itself as not part of Africa) has a whole 'nother host of problems that people will slowly find out about.

Either way I don't think this is the thread to talk about Central Africa, or Southern Africa, or East/West Africa.

And @abc123 didn't quite understand why you Brought Malaysia or China up, but those two countries should be thankful that their population/history/culture didn't get raped as much as Africa's since that's undoubtedly one of the main reasons their development happened so fast. Kudos to them for history having been kind to them.

 

[Karb]

Mahathir was pretty good but they had the advantage of the West wouldn't fukk with them too much since they were worried about the spread of Communism in Southeast Asia. In the Cold War, as long as you were anti-communist, you could get away with most stuff in your country and still get investment. Thing is, African leaders were mostly socialist, some by conviction but some because the only way you could get support and weapons to fight the colonialists was the Eastern Bloc or China

Somalia was in that sweet spot and had money and weapons coming in from both the US and the Soviet Union + very little Western interference during the first few decades after Independence. But then our dictator went to war with Ethiopia which caused an international backlash and internal strife

 

[I Really Mean It]

Imagine if they started trying to return us to slavery in America. You think black Americans would willingly go back to chains without rising up and violently resisting? What the fukk is going in Africa?