French President Macron blamed Africans for the slave markets in Libya...

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In the video it says: "Macron seems to ignore..."
And here I'm thinking: "Seems? Really? :mjgrin:"

What's the opinion of the Angolan government on what's happening in Libya?

Too bad Fidel Castro is dead. The Cubans would be very useful in mowing down all the Arabs in Libya.
 

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What's the opinion of the Angolan government on what's happening in Libya?

Too bad Fidel Castro is dead. The Cubans would be very useful in mowing down all the Arabs in Libya.

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We're gonna give "aid". Probably send some militias as well to mitigate the trafficking situation. But this should be a wake up call to Africans on how force is not a viable solution for our problems. The countries within the continent are much more fragile than people think.

"Oh, as long as we kill X then everything will go smoothly and people will live a happy and prosperous life! :mjgrin:" It's been proven again and again that this is not how Africa works.
To approach the continent with black and white lenses is the same as planning to sow even more chaos within the current struggle.
 

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We're gonna give "aid". Probably send some militias as well to mitigate the trafficking situation. But this should be a wake up call to Africans on how force is not a viable solution for our problems. The countries within the continent are much more fragile than people think.

"Oh, as long as we kill X then everything will go smoothly and people will live a happy and prosperous life! :mjgrin:" It's been proven again and again that this is not how Africa works.
To approach the continent with black and white lenses is the same as planning to sow even more chaos within the current struggle.

Your mentality is the reason why Africa has been perpetually exploited and desecrated by outsiders for over 2,000 years now (yes, it started in Egypt and stopped for a while till about 400 years ago again).

Sometimes dialogue doesn't work - you just have to show force. That's how Europeans who used to be savages became the most powerful race of people today. Wonder why they're not selling Europeans in Libya when their grouse is with Europe and not Africans? Well, they know the consequences.

Keep making excuses for the utter failure that all African countries have become and have always been. Who dialogues with savages and what's aid going to do?
 

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Your mentality is the reason why Africa has been perpetually exploited and desecrated by outsiders for over 2,000 years now (yes, it started in Egypt and stopped for a while till about 400 years ago again).

Sometimes dialogue doesn't work - you just have to show force. That's how Europeans who used to be savages became the most powerful race of people today. Wonder why they're not selling Europeans in Libya when their grouse is with Europe and not Africans? Well, they now the consequences. Keep making excuses for the utter failure that all African countries have become and have always been. Who dialogues with savages and what's aid going to do?

Welcome to my ignore list.
 

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Welcome to my ignore list.

Eat a dikk.

I don't even like conversing with Africans on the continent because most of you suffer from fried brain cells perhaps due to over-exposure to ultra-violet rays. A cursory look at how fukked the whole continent is, paints a perfect picture of the space most of you're mentally.
 

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I'm tired of all African countries. These countries just need to stand up, speak from a position of power with urgency, and show that they care. These people are Africans, not aliens. European countries don't care because they're complicit in it and they're the reason why Libya is the way it's. What are they waiting for? What's the point of having AU when black Africans can be sold brazenly/openly into slavery on the continent in the 21st century? It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's just sad all around.

Imagine if gringos (esp. Northern Europeans) were being routinely enslaved in other countries. Just imagine..

Anyway the reasons for this all become a bit clearer when you start to dig deeper to examine what Africans think and how weak the countries truly are.

First and foremost you have to see you being seen, treated or thought of as being inferior, as abnormal. Not annoying, unfair or anything like that but simply being absurd. That is the fundamental difference between the downtrodden and the less-downtrodden. What you are ready to accept. Unfortunately (in general) once you are conditioned for a certain station in life it is very hard to change your internal self-image and the way you react to affront.

Things all stem from there.
 

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Imagine if gringos (esp. Northern Europeans) were being routinely enslaved in other countries. Just imagine..

Anyway the reasons for this all become a bit clearer when you start to dig deeper to examine what Africans think and how weak the countries truly are.
First and foremost you have to see that you being seen, treated or thought of as being inferior, as abnormal. Not annoying, unfair or anything like that but simply being absurd. That is the fundamental difference between the downtrodden and the less-downtrodden. What you are ready to accept. Unfortunately (in general) once you are conditioned for a certain station in life it is very hard to change your internal self-image and the way you react to affront.

Things all stem from there.

That's basically what I'm alluding to. You can't expect people to respect you when you're always coming from a place of docility and weakness. Libya right now is a failed state, with different types of militants running around there. Is the whole continent too weak to at least show some force for the first time in history and do what's right? They're still waiting for the white daddy to tell them what to do and this clown is talking about dialogue and sending aids. Like WTF? And that's the same clown who said Angola has a formidable military. The jokes keep writing themselves.

I'm tired of the whole continent. You sit on all kinds of resources. Can't make adequate use of these resources to better the lives of the people. Can't run countries. Can't protect people. Etc. So what's the point of having these countries since most of them are of no use?
 

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That's basically what I'm alluding to. You can't expect people to respect you when you're always coming from a place of docility and weakness. Libya right now is a failed state, with different types of militants running around there. Is the whole continent too weak to at least show some force for the first time in history and do what's right? They're still waiting for the white daddy to tell them what to do and this clown is talking about dialogue and sending aids. Like WTF? And that's the same clown who said Angola has a formidable military. The jokes keep writing themselves.

I'm tired of the whole continent. You sit on all kinds of resources. Can't make adequate use of these resources to better the lives of the people. Can't run countries. Can't protect people. Etc. So what's the point of having these countries since most of them are of no use?

It's complicated because of the leaders they have AND what they accept from their leaders.

In the past there were a few who were determined to fight the West (Lumumba being one example). Look what they did to Zimbabwe.

You need someone with a long term view like the ruling Chinese or some like Mahathir.

"During Mahathir's tenure as Prime Minister, Malaysia experienced a period of rapid modernisation and economic growth, and his government initiated a series of bold infrastructure projects. Mahathir was a dominant political figure, winning five consecutive general elections and fending off a series of rivals for the leadership of UMNO. However, his accumulation of power came at the expense of the independence of the judiciary and the traditional powers and privileges of Malaysia's royalty. He deployed the controversial Internal Security Act to detain activists, non-mainstream religious figures, and political opponents including the Deputy Prime Minister he fired in 1998, Anwar Ibrahim. Mahathir's record of curbing civil liberties and his antagonism towards western interests and economic policy made his relationships with the United States, United Kingdom and Australia, among others, difficult. As Prime Minister, he was an advocate of third-world development and a prominent international activist."

But you can only work with what you have to work with. If you took over Zimbabwe today you would have to get the people to understand and to become stakeholders in your vision. That's difficult because you would have an under-educated, under resourced population who would be with the best will most likely incapable of providing the resources and support needed to ride the international buffeting that any disobedience to the West might bring.

As a minimum Africa could do a better job of exploiting the following..

1. Resources
2. Chinese attention and support
3. The West's need for new markets and cheap labour (brit.).

and I agree they should band together to protect their people abroad.
 

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He’s just in denial about the causes. He’d rather be like “look, it’s an African selling another African” instead of realizing how western interference has cause a situation that’s is deplorable. I’d like to see the whole conversation though, people have a tendency, these days, to really slant news to give you a story instead of just retelling the facts
 
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