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My mother-tongue is only spoken by members of my tribe so it can't be a lingua-franca.What your mother tongue ?
We should focus on Swahili which has been thoroughly modernized and has solid institutions.
My mother-tongue is only spoken by members of my tribe so it can't be a lingua-franca.What your mother tongue ?
Does anyone see a benefit to AA children learning English and French
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Since moving to the DC area, I’ve met many French speakers, all but one who are black
I myself am still learning Spanish but I want to start with French as well.
I want reiterate that the point of this thread is not that french should replace any indigenous language (if you’re reading that from my posts then you’re projecting). English, French and Swahili are essentially global black lingua franca
Looking at this from a purely objective economic stand point, Spanish is by far the most useful foreign language to learn for African-Americans, because of:
1. The sheer number of native speakers in the world(2nd largest)
2. The number of native speakers in the US(again, 2nd largest)
3. Our proximity to Spanish speaking nations, as it is by far the most spoken language in the Americas.
French would probably come 3rd or 4th in terms of usefulness after Mandarian and Arabic. then maybe Russian at 5th. French is one of the 6 UN official languages, so it's pretty important globally.
By nikkas I mean most Americans
Tell me what language they speak in africa
I'll wait
There are Africans who speak [haitian] Creole in West Africa and Swahili in East Africa. It would be best to concentrate on those as Africans (Continental and Diaspora) than English, French, or Portuguese.
How so? never heard of this one, West Africans speak their own languages and not haitian creole now there are local creole languages (pidgin, nouchi...) but not at the level of swahili, if I'm not mistaken
There are Africans who speak [haitian] Creole in West Africa and Swahili in East Africa. It would be best to concentrate on those as Africans (Continental and Diaspora) than English, French, or Portuguese.
They don’t speak Kreyol in Africa...they likely can understand it as it’s based on FrenchThere are Africans who speak [haitian] Creole in West Africa and Swahili in East Africa. It would be best to concentrate on those as Africans (Continental and Diaspora) than English, French, or Portuguese.
I've met a few from Senegal and Cote d'Ivoire. They spoke fluent haitian creole when i was in college. Plus, if you think about it, Haitians are originally from many african countries. And yet they speak one common language. So we know it can happen elsewhere in Africa.
That may be true but that doesn’t means Ivorians and Senegalese people speak Haitian Creole. They speak french and their native languages (and in senegak’s Case many also speak Wolof)
Whether a 100 of them speak it or a million of them, the fact is it is still spoken there. And since we already have a successful case study (ie. haiti), other african countries could adopt it as well if they wanted to.
The question only was "what language they speak in africa". The conversation is about unifying languages in africa. The counterpoint is languages that can unify that are not from the oppressor. I provided two languages that meet the criteria of all 3 issues.
I've met a few from Senegal and Cote d'Ivoire. They spoke fluent haitian creole when i was in college. Plus, if you think about it, Haitians are originally from many african countries. And yet they speak one common language. So we know it can happen elsewhere in Africa.
Haitian Creole, often called simply Creole or Kreyōl, is a language based largely on 18th Century French, some African languages, as well as languages such as Arawak, English, Arabic, Portuguese, Spanish, and Taino. It is spoken in Haiti, the Bahamas, Belize, Canada, Cayman Islands, Cuba, Dominican Republic, France, French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Ivory Coast, Martinique, Puerto Rico, Trinidad and Tobago, parts of the United States, and Venezuela.
Haitian Creole
So you're right, it's not widely spoken in Senegal. Then again, I never said it was. And that was never my point in the first place.
The fact that you've been a place of couple of times and met a couple of people doesn't make you an expert. Someone who's been to NY a couple of times isn't an expert on the United States or its people. Even if they did read about it. Or could even speak on it with any sort of definitive authority. But you have your experiences and I have mine.
But back to my original point, Haitian Creole is spoken on the continent. It can be easily adapted/learned. It's not of the oppressor. And therefore, it can be a candidate for a unifying language.