For the ADOS who claim Christianity to be a “White Mans Religion” Watch this video

[Tair]

I’m gonna post another good video on this topic.

When are you going to post the video?

 

[DoubleClutch]

When are you going to post the video?

Soon. I Gotta find it in my YouTube history. Still looking

 

[Skooby]

I didn't watch the video but Christian Nubia depicted Jesus as white:

I wish they would have stuck with their old religion.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Soon. I Gotta find it in my YouTube history. Still looking

I never found the video

 

[98Ntu]

at the end of the day, it is still a foreign belief system to those of us in the west-african diaspora. even at its most early origins, the abrahamic faiths are from bronze age semite religions in the middle east. a lot of black folk are not just re-evaluating christianity for its relationship to our exploitation and degradation at the hands of europeans, but for the fact that its core tenets do not center us the way native african beliefs can. also, some sisters object to the abrahamic's religion focus on males at the expense of women, and find more feminist friendly faiths in the "pagan" world.

I left Christianity to practice traditional African spirituality. The misogyny, rape apologism and pro-slavery sentiments scared me away from Christianity. In many African spiritual forms, “God” is both genders or neither or has a more motherly bent. Many of the high ranking spiritual leaders/healers/diviners are women.

Every culture must have a spiritual system that centers them. Africans primarily practice the religions of people who enslaved and ruled over them and that must effect our psyches somehow, right??

I find African spirituality does not condemn me as much or make me hate myself. A lot of black women I know are going and practicing Santeria, Hoodoo, Ifá and other forms of spirituality that fit into their ethnic and cultural background.

 

[Robbie3000]

Throw all three Abrahamic gutter religions in the trash and be done with it.

 

[DoubleClutch]

I left Christianity to practice traditional African spirituality. The misogyny, rape apologism and pro-slavery sentiments scared me away from Christianity. In many African spiritual forms, “God” is both genders or neither or has a more motherly bent. Many of the high ranking spiritual leaders/healers/diviners are women.

Every culture must have a spiritual system that centers them. Africans primarily practice the religions of people who enslaved and ruled over them and that must effect our psyches somehow, right??

I find African spirituality does not condemn me as much or make me hate myself. A lot of black women I know are going and practicing Santeria, Hoodoo, Ifá and other forms of spirituality that fit into their ethnic and cultural background.

1. Youre making the mistake of confusing following Jesus Christ with the religion called “Christianity” which many bad things were done by MAN in the name of GOD. Jesus has nothing to do with the bad things that happen in history because of Religion. Humans have free will.

But what about all the GOOD that has been done throughout history by TRUE followers of Jesus?

2. GOD has no gender. I wouldn’t put God in a box by making it male or female or black/white

3. You’re free to believe what you want but you still have to explain away Jesus the man historically (and ISLAM) and the whole history of the Hebrew/Jewish people all of which has the greatest impact on the world we live in today and historically

4. Ancestor worship doesn’t make sense logically (although I can respect the idea & practice culturally). But “ancestors” aren’t automatically great people just because they’re dead and gone. They could be in hell for all we know . Or you could be worshiping something PRETENDING to be “ancestors” or a deity of a “lake” “river”, “sun/moon” “fertility etc..... why not worship the God which created and controls all of the above?

5. I’ve been to Santeria/Candomble presentations and it can be just as fake and crooked as the worst of Church services. (And it was a lot of white people in attendance

 

[98Ntu]

1. Youre making the mistake of confusing following Jesus Christ with the religion called “Christianity” which many bad things were done by MAN in the name of GOD. Jesus has nothing to do with the bad things that happen in history because of Religion. Humans have free will.

But what about all the GOOD that has been done throughout history by TRUE followers of Jesus?

2. GOD has no gender. I wouldn’t put God in a box by making it male or female or black/white

3. You’re free to believe what you want but you still have to explain away Jesus the man historically (and ISLAM) and the whole history of the Hebrew/Jewish people all of which has the greatest impact on the world we live in today and historically

4. Ancestor worship doesn’t make sense logically (although I can respect the idea & practice culturally). But “ancestors” aren’t automatically great people just because they’re dead and gone. They could be in hell for all we know . Or you could be worshiping something PRETENDING to be “ancestors” or a deity of a “lake” “river”, “sun/moon” “fertility etc..... why not worship the God which created and controls all of the above?

5. I’ve been to Santeria/Candomble presentations and it can be just as fake and crooked as the worst of Church services. (And it was a lot of white people in attendance

1) Christians have done good but colonialism, slavery and the whole history of white Christian ethno-nationalism cannot be ignored. A lot got rh good Christians are doing now is to repair the wrongs done in the past.

2) I agree. Good shouldn’t be assigned a sex. The people who assign God a gender are Abrahamic religion believers. God is he/him/king/father to Christians, Jews and Muslims.

3) Imperialism did that. We don’t worship Jesus cuz he was a great man. We worship him because white Europeans appropriated Afro-Semitic religions and ruled the world with an appropriated/gentrified version of Afro-Semitic religions.

These Afro-Semitic religions came primarily from the Northeast and lower Saharan religion of Africa. Most Bantus (West/Central/South/Swahili East Africans) practiced mystic, shamanistic and animistic traditions.

4) Ancestor worship is a misnomer. White anthropologists of the 1800s mischaracterized what ancestor veneration and admiration was on purpose to make Africans look like savages. Africans worship gods/deities like everyone else.

Some ancestors were bad people and that’s why we visit healers and spirit guides to help us navigate our spiritual lineage.

Also, hell is a recently constructed western concept. A place of eternal suffering and damnation does not exist to me. There is judgement, punishment and repercussion in my spiritual system, just nothing that lasts forever.

Lastly, “God” is an endless, faceless, formless expression of everything-ness. If “God” is understood in some capacities and forms as a fertility, water or animal spirit: what harm does that really do? “God” is bigger than our temporal human expressions and desires.

5) There are white practitioners of African spirituality. That doesn’t bother me personally.

And crooked folks exist everywhere. I have yet to see a mass culture of traditionalist/“pagan” healers who are multimillionaires flying in private jets. There are more snake oil salesman in some belief systems than others. Though to be fair: this may not be reflecting on the religion itself or its general practitioners but the leaders in Judeo-Christian and Abrahamic faiths can be ultra-crooked in way that has few rivals.

P.S.
I believe that African spirituality works for me and many Africans. I don’t think it’s necessarily the best thing for everybody.

Imo, Humanity is looking at a painting. This painting is life and all of us come away with differing ideas about the painting. Some ideas manifest as Buddhism, others are Islam, others as African spiritualities, etcetera. I don’t think anyone’s wrong necessarily but where problems arise is where one group alleges to have the objective truth as well as a cure to human suffering and struggle.

There are many roads but I believe we head to the same places. I simply think that Africans must walk a road that is fashioned by their ideals and understandings, so as not to get lost on our way to “enlightenment/salvation/oneness with God/etcetera”. Abrahamic religions are cool in their own way but I think that they are not everything that African and Afro-diasporic people need a lot of the times and that’s also cool.

 

[DoubleClutch]

1) Christians have done good but colonialism, slavery and the whole history of white Christian ethno-nationalism cannot be ignored. A lot got rh good Christians are doing now is to repair the wrongs done in the past.

2) I agree. Good shouldn’t be assigned a sex. The people who assign God a gender are Abrahamic religion believers. God is he/him/king/father to Christians, Jews and Muslims.

3) Imperialism did that. We don’t worship Jesus cuz he was a great man. We worship him because white Europeans appropriated Afro-Semitic religions and ruled the world with an appropriated/gentrified version of Afro-Semitic religions.

These Afro-Semitic religions came primarily from the Northeast and lower Saharan religion of Africa. Most Bantus (West/Central/South/Swahili East Africans) practiced mystic, shamanistic and animistic traditions.

4) Ancestor worship is a misnomer. White anthropologists of the 1800s mischaracterized what ancestor veneration and admiration was on purpose to make Africans look like savages. Africans worship gods/deities like everyone else.

Some ancestors were bad people and that’s why we visit healers and spirit guides to help us navigate our spiritual lineage.

Also, hell is a recently constructed western concept. A place of eternal suffering and damnation does not exist to me. There is judgement, punishment and repercussion in my spiritual system, just nothing that lasts forever.

Lastly, “God” is an endless, faceless, formless expression of everything-ness. If “God” is understood in some capacities and forms as a fertility, water or animal spirit: what harm does that really do? “God” is bigger than our temporal human expressions and desires.

5) There are white practitioners of African spirituality. That doesn’t bother me personally.

And crooked folks exist everywhere. I have yet to see a mass culture of traditionalist/“pagan” healers who are multimillionaires flying in private jets. There are more snake oil salesman in some belief systems than others. Though to be fair: this may not be reflecting on the religion itself or its general practitioners but the leaders in Judeo-Christian and Abrahamic faiths can be ultra-crooked in way that has few rivals.

P.S.
I believe that African spirituality works for me and many Africans. I don’t think it’s necessarily the best thing for everybody.

Imo, Humanity is looking at a painting. This painting is life and all of us come away with differing ideas about the painting. Some ideas manifest as Buddhism, others are Islam, others as African spiritualities, etcetera. I don’t think anyone’s wrong necessarily but where problems arise is where one group alleges to have the objective truth as well as a cure to human suffering and struggle.

There are many roads but I believe we head to the same places. I simply think that Africans must walk a road that is fashioned by their ideals and understandings, so as not to get lost on our way to “enlightenment/salvation/oneness with God/etcetera”. Abrahamic religions are cool in their own way but I think that they are not everything that African and Afro-diasporic people need a lot of the times and that’s also cool.

I think you should revisit the early history of Christianity and not modern stereotypes

Imagine judging God based on what man does

Your “Ancestors” won’t forgive you of your sins despite whatever benefits this practice brings to your current everyday life

You should be concerned with your after life (eternal life) after all that is the message of Jesus and you have to reconcile this with your beliefs

Ask these “ancestors” what happens after you die?

I know people who refer to their Car as a “he/she” but that doesn’t me it actually is a human female or male

Don’t play dumb everyone knows God isn’t a big white bearded man in the sky

Why not pick up a Bible, read and make your own conclusions instead of relying on what popular religion says in the 20th century in addition to whatever other African scriptures and teachings you study and believe in?

After all the people of the Bible were African as described in the book itself. Assuming you are black, these ARE your ancestors

 

[98Ntu]

I think you should revisit the early history of Christianity and not modern stereotypes

Imagine judging God based on what man does

Your “Ancestors” won’t forgive you of your sins despite whatever beliefs this practice brings to your current everyday life

You should be concerned with your after life (eternal life) after all that is the message of Jesus and you have to reconcile this with your beliefs

Ask these “ancestors” what happens after you die?

I know people who refer to their Car as a “he/she” but that doesn’t me it actually is a human female or male

Don’t play dumb everyone knows God isn’t a big white bearded man in the sky

Why not pick up a Bible, read and make your own conclusions instead of relying on what popular religion says in the 20th century in addition to whatever other African scriptures and teachings you study and believe in?

After all the people of the Bible were African as described in the book itself. Assuming you are black, these ARE your ancestors

Your thoughts are interesting breh.

I wish you well. You seem earnest and believe what you’re saying, so there’s no point in my trying to argue with you. Be blessed and enjoy your evening

 

[DoubleClutch]

Your thoughts are interesting breh.

I wish you well. You seem earnest and believe what you’re saying, so there’s no point in my trying to argue with you. Be blessed and enjoy your evening

Same to you.

My only point in this thread is not letting Race be the main factor in determining what you believe in because that makes you no different than the racist white people who did it

You’re free to disagree with me and I’m not trying to tell you what to believe but at least do your own deep research on opposing points of views as I always try to do

 

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[ajackson17]

Don't care tbh. Believe in a Jewish man that is your deity if you want.

 

[ajackson17]

To this day i don’t understand how African American black people don’t understand how Christianity and the church is probably the only thing that helped them survive and cope in the aftermath of slavery

what was Muslims and Islam doing for blacks people and the black community prior to the 20th century?

meanwhile at the same time in Arab countries Africans were still slaves to Muslim kings/leaders and still today

now in 2020+ this new pro black “woke” generation wanna rewrite history and turn their back on the church/Christianity of their parents/grandparents

And so what? I don't believe in deities and its my life and I choose how in what I do.

 

[DoubleClutch]

And so what? I don't believe in deities and its my life and I choose how in what I do.

Fair enough

But why’d you click on the thread