For the ADOS who claim Christianity to be a “White Mans Religion” Watch this video

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no its not, christianity is christianity, the only difference is prolly what books are considered canon in the biblical chronological order and thats it.

how cacs used it is simply on them, just like people used the bible in other means like Nat turner, and the slave revolts where they used it to rebel against Cacs.

To this day i don’t understand how African American black people don’t understand how Christianity and the church is probably the only thing that helped them survive and cope in the aftermath of slavery

what was Muslims and Islam doing for blacks people and the black community prior to the 20th century?

meanwhile at the same time in Arab countries Africans were still slaves to Muslim kings/leaders and still today

now in 2020+ this new pro black “woke” generation wanna rewrite history and turn their back on the church/Christianity of their parents/grandparents

 

[Cadillac]

To this day i don’t understand how African American black people don’t understand how Christianity and the church is probably the only thing that helped them survive and cope in the aftermath of slavery

what was Muslims and Islam doing for blacks people and the black community prior to the 20th century?

lets slow down, Islam helped to it espescially helped shape and cultivate Northern Black culture as well they both did

as a christian myself im not trying to bash islam i respect it for what it did here for us.

my point is that what we practice is not the "white man's christianity" as that one guy said.

now in 2020+ this new pro black “woke” generation wanna rewrite history and turn their back on the church/Christianity of their parents/grandparents

that group of people, are 1) alot of them are not ADOS, and 2) from the suburbs. so what you have is nonados and non cultured ados people who are disconnected from the culture trying to rewrite black american history and culture.

they the same types that are around right now disrespecting MLK

nothing wrong if you have different beliefs, but what these types are doing is beyond that.

 

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yea in the big picture it doesn’t matter but for those who want to manipulate people it’s a factor and real issue

True

im talking the concept of race as it pertains to religion and the interpretation of Bible prophecy.

The bible does not address the concept of race as we know it....The bible however does mention Peoples, Nations and Ethnicities.
The Focus of the Bible is that we have One Father Yahweh and we are descendants of One Man Adam....Making all Mankind of One Family

As it pertains to prophecy you will have to elaborate?

 

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lets slow down, Islam helped to it espescially helped shape and cultivate Northern Black culture as well they both did

as a christian myself im not trying to bash islam i respect it for what it did here for us.

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im talking during slavery. Before Nation of Islam.

yea religious views aside NOI and some of its leaders or converts teachings (malcom x, Farrakhan, Ali etc..) did a lot for the black community and gave a alternate message maybe that the church/preacher weren’t doing.

but before that it was mainly the black church and Christianity

I grew up around black people in a very black city and 99% were Christians who families were and they went to church whether they actually believed in it or not.

Like they say it’s churches or liquor stores on every corner. Not mosques in most cities

maybe in nyc only and another very multicultural city during 1900s was islam and other black movements/religion influence felt like that

all I’m saying is Arab immigrants were looking out for themselves for the most part and separate simply based off language/culture which is vital to Islam

why else do you think there was a place and need for some to even create NOI or a black Moslem identity/religion?

but at its root Islam is definitely not the best choice in religion for the black community here in USA or in the Arab world. And it hasn’t been. That’s a fact.

and I can bash “black Christianity” and the black church in USA as well. It’s far from perfect as an institution

but historically the black Muslims (and other black religion) main selling point to black people over Christianity is how white Jesus is racist and Christianity being a white mans religion

 

[IllmaticDelta]

All Abrahamic religions are of "desert caucasoid" origins; the people who deem Christianity a "white mans" religion while bigging up Islam and Judaism don't realize how dumb they sound

 

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[EndDomination]

you do realize that like half of the slaves that we descend from were muslim right, Abrahamic religions were not foreign to us. this dumbass idea you militant smart dummies have that all our ancestors were wearing african mask, praying to multiple gods, and so on is not true for alot of them.


the faiths incorporated alot of people from africans, arabs, etc. its also weird that as much as someone like you seems to be talking about africa you seem to overlook the role africans played a part in the faiths.


you mean the relationship it had with us to have slave revolts, establish our culture, music, civil rights movement, etc.

all that you describe is the europeans doing what they did disregarding the bible. alot of that racism was solely out of hate and pure racism not something based from the bible.


christianity does not have a core tenet based on any people because of their race, nor does any religion really. Its all based on beliving in god and jesus(yeshua)

neither do native african beliefs, they are just beliefs that are not widespread and our practiced solely by africans. so if your trying to insuinate like those beliefs are some "pro black" militant beliefs that are meant for us under that assumption they are not not.

infact some african beliefs from what I read and seen can be very rough, and messed up to the people

so this image your trying to portray like these native african beliefs are catering and nuturing beliefs made for Black americans is false.

You're not arguing with the points @NZA made, but around them.
He's entirely right.

That doesn't mean that African-American Christianity and the Black Church writ large haven't expanded beyond many of the bounds of the white church, or that from our time as enslaved people to the present didn't involve philosophical, theological, or materialist development - but that the origins of Christianity in the West are explicitly anti-Black and colonial.

Your approximation about enslaved African peoples being Muslim is also quite off - while there was an unacknowledged population of Islam-practicing people enslaved here in the U.S. the practices were largely first-generation, and were socialized out of them through the generations. The Black Christian faith's connection to revolts and revolution, our identity as an ethnicity, the music that we developed, curated and became the most popular music on the planet, and on our push back against the racial capitalist system isn't being ignored - its a part of the story too.

And traditional African spiritual beliefs across the continent are *literally* centered on African peoples.

 

[Fanservice]

Your lord and savior is depicted as a white hippie with sandy blonde hair and blue eyes. Whether or not that’s what he actually looked like, that’s the widely recognized image of Jesus Christ regardless of what nikkas argue amongst themselves. ADoS should have just created their own religion because christianity ain’t our shyt.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Christianity is more of "jew mans" religions than it is a "white euro mans" religion

Your lord and savior is depicted as a white hippie with sandy blonde hair and blue eyes. Whether or not that’s what he actually looked like, that’s the widely recognized image of Jesus Christ regardless of what nikkas argue amongst themselves. ADoS should have just created their own religion because christianity ain’t our shyt.

Sometimes I think people think ADOS are the the only black christians from the slave era in the Americas. Do yall realize that practically every afro-person in the new world, is a basically a follower of Christianity or influenced by it? Yes, even the ones who who think they're following pure African religions Secondly, ADOS reshaped the Christianity that they were taught to their image/likings:

African American intellectuals have long devoted attention to the testimonies of slaves, particularly the many former slaves interviewed after the Civil War. Emerson B. Powery and Rodney S. Sadler Jr. turn to the interpretations developed among freed slaves before the Civil War. They ask how the Bible, used so powerfully by the advocates of slavery, became a source of liberation for African Americans. Powery and Sadler credit these early black interpreters with creative and critical interpretation, grounded in their experience of a liberating God who would not authorize dehumanization. This work required them to reject the interpretations that flourished in white society – interpretations whites attempted to impose upon slaves. If some passages of the New Testament sanctioned slavery, the former slave and popular preacher James Pennington argued, its “general tenor and scope” would not allow for slavery. Former slaves made much of relatively obscure passages (“Princes shall come out of Egypt; Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hands unto God” [Psalm 68:31]) and made symbolic identifications with others (“a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief” [Isaiah 53:3]). Whites claimed that Noah’s curse against Canaan (“a servant of servants shall he be” (Genesis 9:25) legitimated slavery, but blacks countered with the tradition that all humans were of one blood (Acts 17:26). One former slave argued that because the first human had been created out of the soil (Genesis 2:7), Adam had dark skin. Whiteness, said William Anderson, was a symptom of a skin disease as in 2 Kings 5:27 – a consequence of sin! African Americans even found ways to befriend Paul, identifying with the apostle’s own experiences of unjust suffering.

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This is where Ethiopianism and black theology came into play

 

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Your lord and savior is depicted as a white hippie with sandy blonde hair and blue eyes. Whether or not that’s what he actually looked like, that’s the widely recognized image of Jesus Christ regardless of what nikkas argue amongst themselves. ADoS should have just created their own religion because christianity ain’t our shyt.

I think the problem is your (and other ADOS) idea of “religion” to begin with.

Blacks have since created NOI and now Hebrew Israelite religion

carribean/Brazil have Santeria and Candomble

and then you can go all the way back to ancient Kemet if you want

plenty for you to choose from if you’re looking for a “black” religion

 

[NZA]

You're not arguing with the points @NZA made, but around them.
He's entirely right.

That doesn't mean that African-American Christianity and the Black Church writ large haven't expanded beyond many of the bounds of the white church, or that from our time as enslaved people to the present didn't involve philosophical, theological, or materialist development - but that the origins of Christianity in the West are explicitly anti-Black and colonial.

Your approximation about enslaved African peoples being Muslim is also quite off - while there was an unacknowledged population of Islam-practicing people enslaved here in the U.S. the practices were largely first-generation, and were socialized out of them through the generations. The Black Christian faith's connection to revolts and revolution, our identity as an ethnicity, the music that we developed, curated and became the most popular music on the planet, and on our push back against the racial capitalist system isn't being ignored - its a part of the story too.

And traditional African spiritual beliefs across the continent are *literally* centered on African peoples.

his arguments were so needlessly hostile and off-base that i didnt even find it worthwhile to respond to him

 

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This thread bump

Coincidentally a white man made sure to describe Jesus as “white” with the Virgil Abloh air quotation marks during a conversation I had the other day

Woke Black people still stuck in the past blaming “white Jesus” for their problems with Christianity meanwhile even white people today recognize he wasn’t white to begin with

 

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I’m gonna post another good video on this topic.

 

[Uachet]

I agree that having a belief to hold on to helped our people, and continue to help some of us, cope with our conditions on the African Continent and the Diaspora. I do not believe that only Christianity, or any of the other Abrahamic religions, are the only ones suitable for that role.

I personally seek to follow the golden rule that seems to be a part of many of the religions we proclaim allegiance too, and consider that treating each other with respect and consideration (those worthy of it) is the best path for me. For example, I thank people for their beneficial actions they have done on my behalf and others, not a God. I blame people for their negative actions they have done to me and others, not a Devil. I personally believe we humans are at the helm of our own existence, even if there is a being or are beings who are far superior to us on the existence totem pole.

So, I am an Agnostic Deist.