For Interns, All Work and No Payoff

[Wild self]

I stopped reading right there. Of course, internships may not be worthwhile if we're speaking of fields that have bad job prospects.

Its just like the fallacy of saying college degrees aren't worth getting because the unemployment rate is high for college graduates. Whenever people cite statistics like that, they are necessarily including people that graduated with a degree in woman's studies, art, political science, or sociology. These fields have bad job prospects and they're getting worst as time goes on so of course the unemployment rate is gonna be high because too many people are perusing these fields without planning to go to graduate school.

If you look at nursing, applied mathematics, computer science, or engineering, the job prospects and internships are very good.

Very few people can do that naturally. If you want more nutcases that are traumatized in the IT fields that are going to dry up due to machines taking over in the next 20 years, then go ahead. A lot of people that are forced to do that shyt, have loose screws in the head because of the workload and the profession they don't want to do for every day.

there is no skills gap. there simply are not enough middle class jobs in existence. with an over supply of educated people, this is escobar season for companies. ameican efficiency is at a ridiculously high level, that is bad for workers, great for employers. take a look at monster.com and see what is available. it's trash for the most part, and anything that is not trash requires experience plus the degree.

Exactly. The jobs front is drying up because of technology and outsourcing. Basically employers are saying that there are too many people in this economy and most people better off being dead.

 

[Mook]

I'm surprised that college students are that docile. I would be running up and beating the shyt outta these scam ass teachers and administrators for lying

Not their fault. Our uneducated and soft parents failed us.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

If I was a boss, I would just cycle interns...Pay them peanuts to do twice the amount of work in the hopes working full-time...

 

[Panther]

You interning at 29 breh?

Yea dude was already in trouble

 

[Wild self]

Not their fault. Our uneducated and soft parents failed us.

Yeah, but anyone that defends these teachers, their pointless workloads that traumatizes them, and the subjects that they can never use outside the classroom, for a lifelong worth of debt is a SCAM and they deserve to be beaten to a coma.

 

[superunknown23]

Yeah, but anyone that defends these teachers, their pointless workloads that traumatizes them, and the subjects that they can never use outside the classroom, for a lifelong worth of debt is a SCAM and they deserve to be beaten to a coma.

Nobody is forcing you to take a "Medieval History of Art" major. It sucks as far as career prospects go, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be available for those who want to take it.
You knew the risks going in

 

[Serious]

Raising the min wage will solve this.

But doesn't that mainly hurt small businesses

If I was a boss, I would just cycle interns...Pay them peanuts to do twice the amount of work in the hopes working full-time...

Capitalism

 

[Wild self]

Nobody is forcing you to take a "Medieval History of Art" major. It sucks as far as career prospects go, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be available for those who want to take it.
You knew the risks going in

Uhh, at one point, the economy hired any college grad, regardless of degree and made a decent living. Problem is, very few people are made to do heavy math and computer book work. Hands on training is needed more than just studying all the damn time and the colleges are scamming Americans because everyone just follows orders and never questions things. That is bullshyt, especially when most of these jobs will disappear in 20 years due to technology improving at such a fast rate.

 

[IAmGettingAMailOrderBride]

Question, if you knew all that was waiting was a 10-15hr job would you still go to college?

Pssshhh no, I just graduated high school in June and I would work with my friends and his grandfather, they make $16/hr under the table, no college education, I should get with them

 

[superunknown23]

Uhh, at one point, the economy hired any college grad, regardless of degree and made a decent living. Problem is, very few people are made to do heavy math and computer book work. Hands on training is needed more than just studying all the damn time and the colleges are scamming Americans because everyone just follows orders and never questions things. That is bullshyt, especially when most of these jobs will disappear in 20 years due to technology improving at such a fast rate.

That's very true. Not everybody is meant to be a doctor or engineer but that's Corporate America for you.

 

[Wild self]

That's very true. Not everybody is meant to be a doctor or engineer but that's Corporate America for you.

People need to forgo college outside of the social experience and start to make their own businesses.

 

[Danie84]

...welcome to 2008

 

[Motife43]

Ain't shyt promised. We go to college and feel we're entitled to a min. $30k/year job, when that's not even realistic. It's not 1980 when our parents came out of college and opportunities were abundant. My generation has to swallow their pride, take that shytty job, stay with your folks for a minute, and NETWORK your way to the next gig. I put more power in networking than a resume.

I say this, because that's the path I've taken the past 2 years.

I work in movie production and it seems like people are dying to get in this industry. Mufukas are getting paid! And majority of the people didn't "study" this in school, just fell into and are now making 6 figures. On the first show I worked on last year, there were a few under the table interns, because they wanted to be in the industry so bad. It takes a special person, 12-16 hr days, virtually NO OFF DAYS, etc etc.

I'm getting out in July.

 

[superunknown23]

Online job boards are black holes. Barely 10 percent of resumes reach Human Resources.
It's unfair but people get jobs thru networking, by knowing people connected to companies (family, friends, acquaintances). Qualifications are almost secondary.
This system hurts minorities the most since it overwhelmingly favors white folks who dominate Corporate America... Unless you have connected white friends willing to help out (see below)

The networking thing was an eye-opener for me. That shyt is so prevalent in my company, it's disgusting (father, son, cousin, etc). Some white dude just got hired mainly because he was once a roommate of a colleague. He didn't even go to college but he's gonna learn on the job (lab tech)
That's a killer for minorities, since most white folks don't have friends of another race.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...r-less-likely-to-have-friends-of-another-race

Plus, it homogenizes the office since friends tend to have the same qualities and flaws. That's not always beneficial for the company.
I got lucky since I found my job the hard way (I had no connections but my Aerospace Engineering degree was a nice asset).

In Hiring, a Friend in Need Is a Prospect, Indeed

Riju Parakh wasn’t even looking for a new job.
But when a friend at Ernst & Young recommended her, Ms. Parakh’s résumé was quickly separated from the thousands the firm receives every week because she was referred by a current employee, and within three weeks she was hired. “You know how long this usually takes,” she said. “It was miraculous.”

While whom you know has always counted in hiring, Ms. Parakh’s experience underscores a fundamental shift in the job market. Big companies like Ernst & Young are increasingly using their own workers to find new hires, saving time and money but lengthening the odds for job seekers without connections, especially among the long-term unemployed.

The trend, experts say, has been amplified since the end of the recession by a tight job market and by employee networks on LinkedIn and Facebook, which can help employers find candidates more quickly and bypass reams of applications from job search sites likeMonster.com.

Some, like Ernst & Young, the accounting firm, have set ambitious internal goals to increase the proportion of hirings that come from internal referrals. As a result, employee recommendations now account for 45 percent of nonentry-level placements at the firm, up from 28 percent in 2010.
The company’s goal is 50 percent. Others, such as Deloitte and Enterprise Rent-A-Car, have begun offering prizes like iPads and large-screen TVs in addition to traditional cash incentives for employees who refer new hires.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/28/b...gly-rely-on-internal-referrals-in-hiring.html

In Job Hunt, College Degree Can’t Close Racial Gap

Johnny R. Williams, 30, would appear to be an unlikely person to have to fret about the impact of race on his job search, with companies like JPMorgan Chase and an M.B.A. from the University of Chicago on his résumé.
But after graduating from business school last year and not having much success garnering interviews, he decided to retool his résumé, scrubbing it of any details that might tip off his skin color. His membership, for instance, in the African-American business students association? Deleted.

“If they’re going to X me,” Mr. Williams said, “I’d like to at least get in the door first.”

Similarly, Barry Jabbar Sykes, 37, who has a degree in mathematics from Morehouse College, a historically black college in Atlanta, now uses Barry J. Sykes in his continuing search for an information technology position, even though he has gone by Jabbar his whole life.

“Barry sounds like I could be from Ireland,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01race.html

There's a reason why a white felon has a better chance at getting hired than a black person with no criminal record

 

[Liquid]

there is no skills gap. there simply are not enough middle class jobs in existence. with an over supply of educated people, this is escobar season for companies. ameican efficiency is at a ridiculously high level, that is bad for workers, great for employers. take a look at monster.com and see what is available. it's trash for the most part, and anything that is not trash requires experience plus the degree.

Aren't companies going to create more jobs because of how efficient their places are running to grow even more?

Isn't that the republican theory? :smithcup: