Where did I take "umbrage" at that? I didnt. I pointed out that you clearly knew what a conspiracy theorist is. Somehow you knew "new world order" but dont know what its about? Is that what you're getting at? That you have absolutely NO idea what that is reffering to?
Perhaps I read into it too much, but at post #288 you responded by saying "...]I] continuously alluded to [you] being a "conspiracy theorist". I thought you took offense to my implication, but if I was wrong, I apologize. Regardless, yes, I've heard the phrase, but didn't know what it was about. At least, not the dangers conspiracy theorists like yourself fear. Maybe you talk about it later in this post, but no, I have no idea what you people are afraid of. I don't understand.
These books have not affected our lives in the way the bible has. The prophecies that are made (and if you want to bring them you can) do not hold the same weight as the prophecies I provided.
So what? Essentially, you make an argument ad populum. That since so many people in America believe these things, that they are necessarily true. That's a logical fallacy. The prophecies you provide are not specific enough to convince me of the validity of the religion. You've already agreed to the validity of a Buddhist prophecy. So why should I beleive the Abrahamic religion is true, when Buddhists believe in no god?
Breh, the point is that theres benefit to certain acts that have happened. Like how 9/11 allowed us to invade the lands former partners to us (Bin Laden and Hussein). Or how with each major shooting the media starts touting gun control. The cards for one do show things that have happened after the fact. Didnt the planes hit the similar area? How did the building fall straight down without detonation? Im not grasping at straws my friend. Im just providing INSIGHT so that you see where theres smoke theres fire. But it seems you havent even reviewed the information at all. That or you're acting like you havent.
No. The point is those cards didn't predict shyt. It was the imagination of a person that, because oil spills HAPPEN, and because people have TRIED to destroy the world trade center,
that it's possible that those building could be attacked again...
it's possible that an oil spill could happen again. There's no deeper meaning to the "illuminati game" than that!
Gun control? Are you serious? Again, many people WANT to ban guns.... it's a reality in many other countries around the world. That doesn't mean the person who made those cards correctly PREDICTED a ban on guns in the United States. It just means that some people view guns as a major threat to society, and would like no one to have them, you idiot. The building fell straight down because physics dictated to happen that way. You ARE grasping at straws. Just because someone drew a picture of an explosion of two buildings doesn't mean they specifically meant the WTC ... those buildings don't look like the WTC did at the time. It could be these buildings in Chicago. The fact that the planes might have hit close to where they were hit is irrelevant.
Lastly, I've reviewed the arguments from conspiracy theorists like I've viewed that arguments from theists. NONE of them provide proof of what they're saying is true. All they give are these flimsy arguments that are easily disproven. Why should I accept anything you say when it's so obviously fallacious?
I believe we each make our own purpose. But I do not believe we are here by "chance". Not when existence is as detailed as it is. I'll just let you cook brethren. I dont see how you can look at the rich donating for campaigns for representatives as anything other than a conflict of interest. So YES Im 100% sure they donate to campaigns so laws can get passed in their benefit. I mean the bank bailouts ring a bell? But thats fine right? People are struggling but lets not give it to them. Lets give it to the banks and then maybe it'll trickle down
I just don't think there was some intelligent, conscious being that caused humanity.... and also cares about what we do, and make sure empires/nations exist thousands of years after they are destroyed. You do, so why is that?
How are rich people giving campaign contributions a conflict of interest? They see a candidate who supports similar political positions, and donate money to them......... explain? Of course some donate so laws can get passed in their benenfit. Why does that necessarily mean God exists? Yeah, but the bank bailouts benefited everyone (in theory). In 2008, the wealthy and other people who invested their money with these banks lost money, but imagine EVERYONE losing money. They guy with $100 in the bank loses THAT because Bank of America can't give him THAT. Imagine what would happen.
You and I just have vastly views on reality. That bailouts are ONLY for the rich. That corporations opening factories in third world countries are ONLY beneficial for the corporation. If people are working for $2/hr because otherwise they'd starve to death and be broke, then yeah.. it's not all bad. You view the world in this zero sum game ... it's not how the world actually is though.
Those "bailout" programs that serve the people do not assist them in the way that the bank bail outs did.
Perhaps not, but they DO assist people ... you gloss over this fact, but that doesn't make it less true.
Yes. When people are suffering because the goverment isnt what they thought it would be, their end will eventually come. But the danger is with the people behind it and the spirit(s) that are using them. Not the puppets you see like presidents, or athletes, or musicians that are just distractions. But the brethren behind the scenes my friend. Who send our friends to pointless wars.
So God will eventually destroy this evil one world government, but people have to die in its protection first? What a loving God that he will allow his honest believers to die until he waits to save them from this evil government. What is God waiting for?
Sorry friend. I will always keep a suspicion of a group that gets to print money whenever they please and then lend to COUNTRIES. And often these COUNTRIES go to other countries and cause mayhem. In one way or another. So yes, the gov't should be printing our money. Not a private bank. Of course these men have maneuvered their way to do such a thing. And I see no reason (based on the how the US conducts affairs along with other nations) to believe in their intentions. .
So what would please you? If we elected officials to the Fed instead of them being appointed by the President? I mean, in that way the people DOES have an affect on who is in this group you speak of. It's not this dark, secret group of men you speak of.
If they worshiped the God that you claimed they did, they would not conduct their affairs in the manner that they do
Bullshyt. They do believe in the same god that you do. But they are working the best they can, given the system they are in, to both benefit the country and ultimately themselves.
Yes I believe God can cause man's mind to change. Not sure if its to do something they wouldnt do otherwise though. In a similar fashion, I believe evil spirits can as well.
Interesting that you believe man does not have true free will. So why doesn't God change my mind to believe in him? Do you think he will eventually, or is my soul just not worth saving?
"Say Israel WASNT" No lets not say that lol. Because it is. So today, it is an example of prophecy fulfilled. Thats what we're discussing right? Prophecies that were fulfilled? Do you want me to bring another one?
SMH so you won't suppose a hypothetical? Even though you've presented hypotethical situations to further prove your points? But you don't do this for "prophecies" that HAVEN'T been fulfilled.
Again, it's not a "fulfilled prophecy" if it can't be true or false. To you, and other believers like you, if a "prophecy" has happened then it's true and it proves God. If it hasn't happened, then it will in the future. Its a win-win either way. That way you get to NEVER be wrong. You didn't happen to be right about Israel because of God OR because of chance.
IT'S AN UNFALSIFIABLE HYPOTHESIS. This is how you detect pseudoscience or bullshyt like what you believe.
Im not trying to beat you at anything my friend. In all actuality I would like to work together against the common enemy. But some rather go down fighting against that and they'll eventually lose. I guess this is where an atheist would say "seeing is believing" so they'll see. At the end of the day, creation can NEVER out do the Creator.
but that's what makes it 
