Flu Has Disappeared Worldwide during the COVID Pandemic

[NoMayo15]

whats conspiracy about texas and florida not having mask mandates and people out and about are you saying this isnt happening


are you now in here talking in circles, trying to convince people that "most" is not the opposite of "some"

Holy shyt, breh. Serious question... is English your first language?

 

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[itsyoung!!]

Holy shyt, breh. Serious question... is English your first language?

So if you say “only some people dont follow rules” wouldnt that mean the same as most people follow rules

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Holy shyt, breh. Serious question... is English your first language?

Yo I legit had posted the Samuel L. gif at first then deleted, it, I should have kept it up.

whats conspiracy about texas and florida not having mask mandates and people out and about are you saying this isnt happening

Texas didn't lift the mask mandates until March 10th when the flu season was already effectively over.

Miami-Dade County and Palm Beach County STILL have mask mandates.

https://www.wpbf.com/article/mask-mandate-extended-for-30-days-in-palm-beach-county/36135534

are you now in here talking in circles, trying to convince people that "most" is not the opposite of "some"

I'm the one talking in circles when you're running with this fukking reach.

You claimed I said that most Texans and Floridians were following the same rules as the strictest states. Now all you got is "But you said 'some' Texans are moving stupid!" That's the best you can come up with?


If you're not talking in circles, just answer the fukking questions:

* Were schools closed in Texas and Florida and were kids masked/distanced/moving smarter when they returned, yes or no?

* Were millions of Texans and Floridians working from home, yes or no?

* Were many of the major indoor public events canceled in Texas and Florida during flu season, yes or no?

* Did millions of Texans and Floridians mask up, socially distance, and avoid strangers, yes or no?

* Does the fact that damn near EVERY STATE was doing shyt like this reduce the chance that flu spreads to people in Texas and Florida, yes or no?

* Does Florida, due to its warm climate, already have one of the lowest flu rates in the USA every year, yes or no?



Can you answer those questions or are you gonna reply with more ignorant shyt?

 

[CodeKansas]

The Flu is Kong to Covid-19's Godzilla. Can't have two Alphas.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So if you say “only some people dont follow rules” wouldnt that mean the same as most people follow rules

Some people were moving stupid.

Some people were following all the rules.

Most followed at least some of the rules some of the time. Most people changed their behavior at least some during the pandemic, to claim otherwise is just stupid. MANY people from Texas itself told you this already when you were spewing this bullshyt in another thread.



You claimed that I said most Texans/Floridians followed all the rules of the strictest states. You made that shyt up out of nowhere. But because you're so focused on this fukking derailment, we've had to spend all this extra time explaining basic reality to you over and over again.


Now, can you answer the questions I keep asking you or no?

 

[BrooklynShow]

People honestly believe that deaths from the Flu have dropped 97%.
Flu season is October 2020 - May 2021 with its peak in Jan & Feb. These are the months when many states have loosened their restrictions on gatherings, people have been traveling to other countries and schools are open in states like Georgia, Florida, California, Maine to name a few.
If Flu cases & deaths dropped 15-20% that would be believable but 97+% for deaths and a higher percentage decrease for cases?
I personally don't believe it.

 

[NoMayo15]

So if you say “only some people dont follow rules” wouldnt that mean the same as most people follow rules

Someone could mean that, but you would need more context... certainly not an absolute. Usually when people use "most" they're referring to the majority, whereas "some" doesn't really specify whether they mean a little or a lot. The opposite of most would almost definitely be "few" or "a little" though.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

People honestly believe that deaths from the Flu have dropped 97%.
Flu season is October 2020 - May 2021 with its peak in Jan & Feb. These are the months when many states have loosened their restrictions on gatherings, people have been traveling to other countries and schools are open in states like Georgia, Florida, California, Maine to name a few.
If Flu cases & deaths dropped 15-20% that would be believable but 97+% for deaths and a higher percentage decrease for cases?
I personally don't believe it.

Breh, I don't know where you get your information from, schools in California are only just now opening.

In other states where schools did open at some point during the winter, they typically did so with mask wearing, social distancing, being very strict about sick kids not attending class and immediately isolating any kids who showed symptoms. Almost everywhere students were given the option to remain in remote learning if they desired, and even in states where schools were "open", many individual schools and school districts either stayed shut or ended up having to shut down when they had outbreaks.

Saying that you could understand a 15-20% drop but not a 97% drop is just failing to give credit to the exponential nature of disease transmission. You can get a 15% drop in flu cases just by closing schools in one city for one week (it's been shown in spring break studies). When you're doing massive interventions across the country, you can have a far more profound effect than that, because even in the instances where people are moving stupid, they haven't been exposed to enough sick people from outside to even introduce the virus to their circles in the first place.

It's not like we're a bunch of disconnected little communities that each has its own outbreak. The entire globe has reduced flu cases because the entire globe is doing shyt to try to avoid transmitting disease. When so many fewer people are going to school, going to work, going to big social events, hanging out indoors, travelling, etc. and many of them are masking up and staying socially distanced when they do go, when people are more paranoid than ever before about staying isolated when they get sick, it's going to have a profound effect.

I personally don't believe it.

There's been nearly a million flu tests carried out across America since flu season started, by clinical labs across the country. Do you believe it's a massive conspiracy where they're all lying simultaneously?

 

[itsyoung!!]

There's been nearly a million flu tests carried out across America since flu season started, by clinical labs across the country. Do you believe it's a massive conspiracy where they're all lying simultaneously?

Arent you the same one who says texas, nevada and florida are cooking the books on covid numbers now no one can cook the books on the flu?

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

Y'all dumb ass nikkas turn bytches over this so if the media tell you sheep ass bytches to stay home over the flu you would dikkeater.

You mad as fukk.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Arent you the same one who says texas, nevada and florida are cooking the books on covid numbers now no one can cook the books on the flu?

I said that states like Texas are undertesting. Texas for example is 23rd in Covid deaths/million despite being only 38th in Covid tests/million. This clearly shows that people in Texas are under-tested for Covid and their death reports are lower than they would be if they were testing people at a level appropriate for their # of cases.


However, unlike Covid where testing comes primarily from government-organized mass testing programs and testing access and promotion is heavily influenced by government health department policy, the influenza test reports come from clinical labs operating across the country in the same way they always have. These clinical labs have shown nearly a million people being tested for flu since the flu season started, with only 0.19% of the tests coming back positive.

Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report | CDC


Compare that to last year, when in February and March when up to 30% of flu tests were coming back positive for influenza and over 10,000 people/week were testing positive for flu during one six-week stretch.

INFLUENZA Isolates Data TableWeek 18, Season 2019-2020

INFLUENZA Isolates Data TableWeek 39, Season 2019-2020



Explain to me how you fake that. How would you cook the books for every clinical lab across the USA simultaneously? Even if you undertest, how would you go from last year, where 10-30% of test results came back positive for four months straight, to this year where test results have stayed well under 1% for the entire season?

 

[BrooklynShow]

Breh, I don't know where you get your information from, schools in California are only just now opening.

This is from December
Many schools are already offering in-person classes, even with surging coronavirus cases, and there have been few outbreaks, said Linda Darling-Hammond, president of the California State Board of Education and an emeritus Stanford University education professor. More than 1,730 schools have received state waivers to reopen classrooms.
“Even in places of high rates of transmission, they are going to school safely,” she said.

In other states where schools did open at some point during the winter, they typically did so with mask wearing, social distancing, being very strict about sick kids not attending class and immediately isolating any kids who showed symptoms. Almost everywhere students were given the option to remain in remote learning if they desired, and even in states where schools were "open", many individual schools and school districts either stayed shut or ended up having to shut down when they had outbreaks.

Saying that you could understand a 15-20% drop but not a 97% drop is just failing to give credit to the exponential nature of disease transmission. You can get a 15% drop in flu cases just by closing schools in one city for one week (it's been shown in spring break studies). When you're doing massive interventions across the country, you can have a far more profound effect than that, because even in the instances where people are moving stupid, they haven't been exposed to enough sick people from outside to even introduce the virus to their circles in the first place.

Please share where you get that 15% decrease in flu cases by closing schools in 1 city for 1 week.
Also, you're only focusing on states, cities and people that do adhere to the strict guidelines and health advisements.
There are literally millions of people that as you like to say "move stupid" but yet there's only 600 flu deaths. The math isn't there. How do you know how many of millions of people were exposed to sick people to make your claim?

It's not like we're a bunch of disconnected little communities that each has its own outbreak. The entire globe has reduced flu cases because the entire globe is doing shyt to try to avoid transmitting disease. When so many fewer people are going to school, going to work, going to big social events, hanging out indoors, travelling, etc. and many of them are masking up and staying socially distanced when they do go, when people are more paranoid than ever before about staying isolated when they get sick, it's going to have a profound effect.





There's been nearly a million flu tests carried out across America since flu season started, by clinical labs across the country. Do you believe it's a massive conspiracy where they're all lying simultaneously?

1 million tests for this entire flu season isn't a lot when it's estimated that 39 - 59 million people had the flu 1 year ago and a lot more than that the year prior.
Preliminary In-Season 2019-2020 Flu Burden Estimates

 

[Professor Emeritus]

1 million tests for this entire flu season isn't a lot when it's estimated that 39 - 59 million people had the flu 1 year ago and a lot more than that the year prior.
Preliminary In-Season 2019-2020 Flu Burden Estimates

When you test nearly a million people and only get 0.19% test positive, why would you need to expand your tests? There's no point in expanding testing when you're already testing plenty of sick people and not getting hardly any positive tests.

You're talking 50 million people with the flu a year ago, that's 15% of the entire fukking population. If that was happening this year then there's obviously be a lot more than 0.19% of sick people testing positive for flu. As I pointed out to you in my previous comment, last year the labs were reporting around 20-30% positive test rates during the peak and over 10% positive tests for an entire 3-month period. That is an incredible difference from this year which has stayed far below 1% positive tests the whole time.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This is from December
Many schools are already offering in-person classes, even with surging coronavirus cases, and there have been few outbreaks, said Linda Darling-Hammond, president of the California State Board of Education and an emeritus Stanford University education professor. More than 1,730 schools have received state waivers to reopen classrooms.
“Even in places of high rates of transmission, they are going to school safely,” she said.

That's only a small % of the schools in California that got those waivers, and even out of those many of them re-closed or failed to open at all when California had its surge in December/January.

Rising Covid-19 rates halt school reopening plans in three California counties

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Sonoma County shuts door on school reopening as virus surges

Coronavirus: Could surge mean some Bay Area schools won’t return to classroom until next school year? – Times-Herald

Sonoma County puts school reopening waiver applications on hold

As COVID-19 cases surge in Ventura County, local school districts change path forward

Dangerous COVID-19 surge leads to hard shutdown of L.A. public schools

Please share where you get that 15% decrease in flu cases by closing schools in 1 city for 1 week.

From this study (it was actually 10-13%, on average):

The impact of regular school closure on seasonal influenza epidemics: a data-driven spatial transmission model for Belgium

"Christmas holidays are found to be the school closure period with the highest impact on the epidemic outcome, on both its timing and burden, for the 2008/2009 influenza season. Here we assess how this result may vary depending on the timing of the season, by investigating its interplay with the school closure calendar.

In order to distinguish between effects induced by the timing of the influenza season only and those related to other season-specific features (e.g. severity of the epidemic, strain circulation, weather, and others), we considered the same epidemic simulated with the realistic model. We explored anticipations and delays of this epidemic of two or four weeks and compared the results with the realistic model.

The strongest impact is observed for the earliest epidemic (− 4w model) reporting a median anticipation of more than one week with respect to the realistic model (once discounted for the earlier start) and a median reduction of the peak incidence of about 10% (Fig. 5). All other epidemics are rather similar to the realistic one, except for the − 2w model reporting a considerable reduction of the peak incidence (median of approximately 13% across patches). In addition, it is important to note that, differently from previous effects, the anticipation or delay of the season leads to a considerably larger variation of the simulated epidemic indicators across patches, signaled by the larger confidence intervals reported in Fig. 5."


And that wasn't just a temporary reduction, even though the closure was just temporary. Even that one little temporary closure could reduce the peak of the flu season by a median of 10-13%, depending on the timing of the epidemic. In fact, if you read the paper is shows that even the weekends off reduce the spread of the flu season. If even weekend breaks reduce flu spread, then how much more would months of no school reduce it?

Also, you're only focusing on states, cities and people that do adhere to the strict guidelines and health advisements.
There are literally millions of people that as you like to say "move stupid" but yet there's only 600 flu deaths. The math isn't there. How do you know how many of millions of people were exposed to sick people to make your claim?

I think you're failing to understand how connected we are. The flu is global every year, the same strain moves across the world from one country to the next. If a country has a big lockdown, masks, etc. and flu doesn't spread, then it doesn't magically just jump and skip to the next country. That one nation that reduced flu spread will have a big positive effect on the next country in line. Sure, a "few" cases will move, and if the people in that area act stupid then those cases will multiple over time. But EVERY time the epidemic goes through a place that is behaving in a positive manner, it's going to significantly reduce how much the next place is hit.

Those lockdowns, school closures, lack of mass events, social distancing, and mask wearing people in some places will slow the national spread in ALL places because they act as serious speed bumps to transmission. That's how every epidemic works, the disease can't magically jump over distances to only hit the "bad" people who aren't doing the right thing.