ucanthandlethetruth
Failure is not a option
@pactards... so your goalposts have now moved from floyd is ducking to now arum's sudden mexican pride interest and floyd should pick another fight date?
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Floyd Mayweather Jr-Manny Pacquiao Master Discussion Thread
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@pactards... so your goalposts have now moved from floyd is ducking to now arum's sudden mexican pride interest and floyd should pick another fight date?seemorecizzy
Superstar
but arum and pacquaio turned down showtimes offer no?Exactly.
Floyd is more concerned with Pacquiao making less than 40 million then he is about getting his own money
65/35 split (which was offered by Showtime to TR when they offered Pacquiao 40 million guaranteed with a 35% upside) means there is 114 million available, and Floyd would get 74 million and 65% upside.....but apparently that is going unnoticed because people would rather argue about Manny's checks for Algieri and Rios in order to defend Floyd's stance of Pacquiao taking less than the 40 million that was already offered
Once again, a 65/35 split (going by Showtime's offer) means:
Floyd would get 74 million guaranteed and 65% upside
Pacquiao would get 40 million guaranteed and 35% upside
This fight should've BEEN signed
ucanthandlethetruth
Failure is not a option
ofcourse they did but they want the fight
Exactly.
Floyd is more concerned with Pacquiao making less than 40 million then he is about getting his own money
65/35 split (which was offered by Showtime to TR when they offered Pacquiao 40 million guaranteed with a 35% upside) means there is 114 million available, and Floyd would get 74 million and 65% upside.....but apparently that is going unnoticed because people would rather argue about Manny's checks for Algieri and Rios in order to defend Floyd's stance of Pacquiao taking less than the 40 million that was already offered
Once again, a 65/35 split (going by Showtime's offer) means:
Floyd would get 74 million guaranteed and 65% upside
Pacquiao would get 40 million guaranteed and 35% upside
This fight should've BEEN signed
It should be 50/50 still to be honest. It's gonna do 3 mill cause of both of them.
Suspicious Dingo
Superstar
This thread is the intellectual equivalent of KFC... Its disgusting & I know its bad for me, but I just can't get enough 
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
Wrong. Money is the A-side and manny is NOT his equal. He's been ko'd,suffered another loss before that and has very shytty recent numbers. He DOES NOT deserve 50% AT ALL
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bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
http://www.thecoli.com/members/quarterback.9168/ this nikka negged me for saying manny isnt equal.
In what form shape or fashion is manny equal to floyd?
In what form shape or fashion is manny equal to floyd?
krackdagawd
Inspire.
60/40 winner takes 60 
Not yet....they are still in negotiations.
Again, they were offered 65/35 and rumor has leaked from their camp that they want a 60/40 split which would change the offer from:
(65/35 split)
Floyd would get 74 million guaranteed and 65% upside
Pacquiao would get 40 million guaranteed and 35% upside
to a 60/40 split of:
Floyd would get 68 million guranteed with a 60% upside
Pacquiao would get 46 million with a 40% upside
Basically, the fight is being held up on TR's side for 6 million more (which aint shyt when you think they are talking 114 million total) and 5% more upside while on Floyd's side, he said HIMSELF that Pacquiao isnt getting 40 million at all, so he wants them to take much less than even what was offered to TR/Arum in the 1st place by Showtime themselves
When those facts are presented to you, how do yall come to the conclusion that it's TR that's at fault in THESE negotiations?
Floyd can easily give up 6 million and 5% upside in order to secure the biggest payday he's ever received in his life, but instead, he'd rather force the issue and demand that Manny gets LESS than 40 million due to his ego
seemorecizzy
Superstar
i think 65-35 is fairNot yet....they are still in negotiations.
Again, they were offered 65/35 and rumor has leaked from their camp that they want a 60/40 split which would change the offer from:
(65/35 split)
Floyd would get 74 million guaranteed and 65% upside
Pacquiao would get 40 million guaranteed and 35% upside
to a 60/40 split of:
Floyd would get 68 million guranteed with a 60% upside
Pacquiao would get 46 million with a 40% upside
Basically, the fight is being held up on TR's side for 6 million more (which aint shyt when you think they are talking 114 million total) and 5% more upside while on Floyd's side, he said HIMSELF that Pacquiao isnt getting 40 million at all, so he wants them to take much less than even what was offered to TR/Arum in the 1st place by Showtime themselves
When those facts are presented to you, how do yall come to the conclusion that it's TR that's at fault in THESE negotiations?
Floyd can easily give up 6 million and 5% upside in order to secure the biggest payday he's ever received in his life, but instead, he'd rather force the issue and demand that Manny gets LESS than 40 million due to his ego
i just think floyd feels (and justifiable soul to a degree) that he isnt getting any A side respect from arum or the fans
thee guy when from "ill fight you anywhere anytime" to talking bout changing dates, saying theyd fight for free to complaining about 5 percent (if what you are saying is accurate)
my whole thing is i never heard anyone complaining when oscar bullied floyd
or when cotto bullied martinez
this shyt happens all the time
if he want the fight so badly, and your making commercials and running your mouth. just agree to the guys numbers and lets get this shyt going.
you say hes scared and your gonna whip him cool, demand 50/50 or 60/40 for yourself in a rematch and tell him to take it or leave it
i think 65-35 is fair
Me too. It's very fair imo, but if 6 million and 5% more upside is all that's holding the fight back on their side, that's an easy deal to make being that Floyd would have to take only 6 mill less (go from 74 to 68 million upfront). Floyd's statement of them not even getting the initial 65/35 split is kinda
though breh, imo of course. He should've kept that a secret instead of putting it out there on national TV.Everyone knows Floyd is the A-side, but it seems by him saying that Pacquiao cant even get 40 million (less than 35% of the purse), he's acting as if Manny isnt the 2nd biggest draw in the sport easily. He's not giving him respect for what Manny brings to the table either.
A 65/35 split or 60/40 split is definitely A side respect. It seems Floyd wants more like 80/20, which is very disrespectful to a fighter the stature of Manny Pacquiao in the sport who's 2nd to only Floyd. This isnt Robert Guerrero or Marcos Maidana we're talking about where Floyd can get 30 million up front and they only get 3 million.
Floyd's biggest check he's EVER been guaranteed was 41 miliion, which was against Canelo Alvarez. At 60/40, he'd be guaranteed to make 68 million upfront breh. That's 17 more million than he's ever made and almost more than he's made TOTAL in all of 2014 over 2 fights
Floyd needs to to take that 60/40 so we can see him get that huge money (#BlackExcellence) and get in there and beat Pacquiao's ass......and then do it again in September
6 million from 74 million is nothing. Come on Floyd!
*side note* if Floyd and Pacquiao finally sign up to fight, Im gonna go back in the closet and dust off my old Pretty Boy Floyd stanning cape for those 2 fights
Oscar and Floyd were nowhere near the same level though breh. Before Floyd fought Oscar, he was fighting in (to quote @krackdagawd) in ECW Bingo Halls in Portland
Nah forreal though, Floyd's biggest PPV period, before fighting DLH, was against Judah and it did only 374k...he was in no position to even bargain/negoatiate with DLH. Same with Sergio and Cotto. Sergio had never even been in a PPV match, so how could he talk with Cotto (even though there were a LOT of complaints being put out there from Sergio's side).
Floyd is the biggest draw in the sport....Manny is 2nd. That's a huge difference breh. Negotiations still have to take place when you're dealing with #1 and #2.
Right, this is true. HOWEVER, I'd like to say that Showtime/Head of CBS Sports, Les Mooves, fukked that up by offering TR 65/35 off the jump. You NEVER give your best offer up front, because that sets the floor. Being that TR was offered 65/35 upfront, it's only natural they are gonna take it up a little more (which I wouldnt be surprised is 55/45) and then negotiate down to 60/40.
Showtime should've offered 70/30 off top and THEN settled it with the fair 65/35 splt....instead they blew it
60/40 and no higher has been reported by Dan Rafael and Steve Kim as being what TR is looking for and I believe if that's it, Ima need Floyd to give up an extra 6 million (he'd still get 22 million more than Manny Pacquiao and 17 million more then he's ever made upfront) and the 5% upside so we can get what we all want to see....Floyd Mayweather UD Manny Pacquiao 116-112, 116-112, 117-111
Bradley's Trainer on Mayweather: Credibility at Stake!
Posted by: Edward Chaykovsky on 12/22/2014
By Edward Chaykovsky
According to Joel Diaz, trainer of former two-division world champion Timothy Bradley, WBC/WBA champion Floyd Mayweather Jr. is playing a dangerous game if he intends to pass over Manny Pacquiao in favor of an alternate opponent for 2015.
The demand for a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight is astronomical at the moment and the ball appears to be in Mayweather's court, with Pacquiao publicly agreeing to any drug testing requirements and handing Mayweather the bigger portion of the money.
Mayweather is playing hardball, going on live on Showtime and telling Pacquiao that he's not likely to receive a previous offer of $40 million dollars, which Mayweather presented during a personal phone call with the Filipino star in 2012.
"I’m gonna be very honest with you, if Manny Pacquiao and Mayweather fight, just through my experience and my knowledge, I can tell you that right now Mayweather is between the sword and the wall, he’s cornered. He either has to step it up and fight Manny Pacquiao or he’s gonna lose a lot of credibility because I can hear it and I can see it, Mayweather is already at the point where people are not believing in his ability anymore because he hand picks his opponents," Diaz told On The Ropes Boxing Radio.
http://www.boxingscene.com/bradleys-trainer-on-mayweather-credibility-stake--85617#undefined
Thats the way it seems to me as well (except the whole not believing in his ability
That shyt always kills me when people say that like Floyd isnt almost the perfect boxer). Floyd is gonna have to toss that 6 million and an extra 5% Manny's way (give em that 60/40) and get in there and do what Mayweather does......win.
The writing's on the wall and too many people are saying the same thing about the situation this time. We all know about previous negotiations and all the bs that happened then, but at this time though, TR is going about it a different way and the fight seems closer than ever to being made imo.
Im #CaneloCartel all day, but that fight and give me Floyd vs Manny
Posted by: Edward Chaykovsky on 12/22/2014
By Edward Chaykovsky
According to Joel Diaz, trainer of former two-division world champion Timothy Bradley, WBC/WBA champion Floyd Mayweather Jr. is playing a dangerous game if he intends to pass over Manny Pacquiao in favor of an alternate opponent for 2015.
The demand for a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight is astronomical at the moment and the ball appears to be in Mayweather's court, with Pacquiao publicly agreeing to any drug testing requirements and handing Mayweather the bigger portion of the money.
Mayweather is playing hardball, going on live on Showtime and telling Pacquiao that he's not likely to receive a previous offer of $40 million dollars, which Mayweather presented during a personal phone call with the Filipino star in 2012.
"I’m gonna be very honest with you, if Manny Pacquiao and Mayweather fight, just through my experience and my knowledge, I can tell you that right now Mayweather is between the sword and the wall, he’s cornered. He either has to step it up and fight Manny Pacquiao or he’s gonna lose a lot of credibility because I can hear it and I can see it, Mayweather is already at the point where people are not believing in his ability anymore because he hand picks his opponents," Diaz told On The Ropes Boxing Radio.
http://www.boxingscene.com/bradleys-trainer-on-mayweather-credibility-stake--85617#undefined
Thats the way it seems to me as well (except the whole not believing in his ability
That shyt always kills me when people say that like Floyd isnt almost the perfect boxer). Floyd is gonna have to toss that 6 million and an extra 5% Manny's way (give em that 60/40) and get in there and do what Mayweather does......win.The writing's on the wall and too many people are saying the same thing about the situation this time. We all know about previous negotiations and all the bs that happened then, but at this time though, TR is going about it a different way and the fight seems closer than ever to being made imo.
Im #CaneloCartel all day, but
that fight and give me Floyd vs Manny
#SOG_soldier
New York knicks and phoenix suns stan
I just watched a video saying that Cotto and Canelo is not on Cinco de Mayo. Can I make a thread on that or nah?
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Go head breh.
May 2nd is the date that Canelo and Floyd are both looking for. Cinco De Mayo falls on a Tuesday in 2015, so the weekend before it is what they're fighting for.