Demar wont change us defensively....and thats our issue.
"Fire coach Casey" "blow it up" Official Toronto raptors 2015-2016 season thread
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Demar wont change us defensively....and thats our issue.
I cant take ur opinion seriously lolol..
Hes not an above average defender,thats a fan whos not watching the games played...
Up until last year he had improved his game but he actually had regressed in his first 16 games this season....He didnt look like the same player from last season...shooting,scoring,rebounding down...He got completely shut down in 3-4 games...
I thnk the above average defending SG you may be referring to plays for Chicago not us....
The fact were playing the wrong guys defensively has nothing to do with DeRozan,thats coaching and that wont change or magically get better with Demar coming back....
Smh, of course he will.
Just like Last year and earlier this year?
Were done arguing,you offed urself with the above comment...Its not worth debating cuz if you are willing to lie to urself about that you can argue literally anything to do with this team...
Dirty D
Vikes & Raptors 4 Life
You really don't think DeRozan is a better defender than Lou Williams or Grieves Vasquez? Just his size and speed alone makes a difference.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/derozde01/on-off/2015/
Raps give up 104.6 points per 100 possessions with DeRozan on the floor
Raps give up 109.7 points per 100 possessions with DeRozan off the floor
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/derozde01/on-off/2015/
Raps give up 104.6 points per 100 possessions with DeRozan on the floor
Raps give up 109.7 points per 100 possessions with DeRozan off the floor
Lol @ the hate raps fans have.
All the same shyt they whine about this team can be said to other teams as well, but for some reason the other teams don't get the same hate.
All the same shyt they whine about this team can be said to other teams as well, but for some reason the other teams don't get the same hate.
richtree
Top Shotta, None Hotta!
And if you have seen my previous posts I've mentioned that it is an improvement we have made but it doesn't negate the fact that are constantly losing to teams that you and others in this thread are saying we are in the same category as. Also, we are losing a lot of these games due to piss poor defence and awful rotations (James Johnson is arguably our best defender but Casey insists that Ross gets more pt). Derozan is not an average or above average defender. Joe Johnson murdered his ass in the offs and butler gave him that work this season (while holding derozan to 3/17). You keep claiming if we are watching the games but I'm strongly believing you are just looking at the win/loss column and saying this team is great.
I've got a couple of games circled on my calendar, atl, was, mem. I'll wait to see the outcome of those games before giving this squad any more praise..
Shout out to the boy @Miggs for keepin it 100.
Why are you trying to dishonestly twist the argument ?
I said he isnt a good defender and certainly is not above average...
analytics defending his defense now
What speed ? He has no lateral speed defensively which is way he routinely gives up easy drives to the basket...
which other top team fails to beat elite teams and looks like the classic treadmill team? im curious... name them.
Box Factory
hater
I'd be happy just winning a 1st round playoff series, I know it kinda sucks that that would be such a huge accomplishment, but it is what it is 
The team is still fairly young too, so there's time to build on the bit of success they're having last year and this year.
The team is still fairly young too, so there's time to build on the bit of success they're having last year and this year.
Derozan is actually a decent all around defender. He is not the best by any means but he has shown that he is a very capable defender and in the last year or so has really been putting that work in.
you can keep pullin out shyt like "yea well Joe Johnson put in that work on him last year in the playoffs" shyt or pick out different battles all you want but it ain't gonna change the fact. ( we'll ignore the fact that Ross was guarding Johnson for most of the series)
I just did a quick google search and found some articles talking about what I was saying(cuz for some reason you dudes dont listen unless someone in the media says it)
http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2014/12/26/derozans-absence-felt-defensive-end/
Now, DeRozan isn’t an all-world defender. As a straight-up, man-to-man defender, he may grade out as average, and I’d accept someone thinking he’s a shade above or below that mark. But defense extends beyond just locking someone down one-on-one, and DeRozan excels in other defensive areas. He’s very intelligent, and can rarely be spotted napping or blowing an assignment. Head coach Dwane Casey’s system is predicated on smart, quick reads and anticipation, with switches being called early and players being expected to help almost in pre-rotation. In short, you need to be at the help position before the help is needed. DeRozan is very good with these reads, and he’s also adept at recovering on to a new man once his help has come if he’s beat.
As pointed out by a few commenters, DeRozan also gets to the free throw line a great deal, which allows the defense to get set. Only seven players average more free throw attempts per game than DeRozan, and while getting to the line is an offensive skill, it has an appreciable impact on the defense. With decent on-ball skills, heady team-level play, and aid in getting the defense set, I’d warrant DeRozan is a defensive plus in general, and an appreciable upgrade on the sub-replacement level defenders taking up some of his assignments.
In the past month, the Raptors’ perimeter defense has been spotty and leaky, with guards able to penetrate far too easily. The man at the initial point of attack getting beat, especially early in the shot clock, sets off a chain reaction, with players having to help early, others having to rotate effectively, and the whole team left in a scramble. Compared to when he’s on the floor, the Raptors allow slightly more threes – corner and above the break – when DeRozan sits, while teams also shoot better in the paint (non-restricted) and mid-range. The mid-range efficacy effect may speak to DeRozan’s individual defensive ability compared to his replacement parts, while the additional threes are a minor concern. All on/off shot location data is going to be subject to noise and small samples, and so looking at the overall team defense may be a better way of illustrating DeRozan’s impact.
In doing so, we see that the Raptors’ defense has been much, much worse without DeRozan, while the offense has been a small degree better. This defensive impact is apparent when looking at both on/off court data and when comparing the team’s first 16 games to their most recent 13.
Raptors O-Rtg D-Rtg Net
First 16 110.7 100.9 9.8
Last 13 113 107.8 5.2
with DeRozan 111.1 102.0 9.1
without DeRozan 112.1 105.3 6.9
The Raptors essentially go from being a top-10 defense with DeRozan to a bottom-10 defense without him. Surprising though this may be, it’s not entirely new – last season, following the Gay trade, the Raptors performed the same with or without DeRozan, notable considering he’s a starter logging heavy minutes against the other team’s best lineups. In general, if a starter has a nil on/off effect, that’s a positive considering their quality of competition is almost surely higher. Last year, DeRozan was also backed up at times by John Salmons, who, garbage though he may be, is a better defender than Vasquez or Williams.
It’s unclear what the solution is in the short-term, because Casey’s system is what it is and has generally got the most out of a lot of mediocre defenders. The defensive versatility of Landry Fields and James Johnson helps some, and the Raptors may at times need to explore sacrificing offense or defense and playing two traditional wings instead of two point guards a bit more often. Those are in-game adjustments, though, and can’t really be prescribed in advance.
DeRozan playing wouldn’t exactly make this an easy trip or make that bevy of tough checks easier to handle, but it will be worth watching the team’s guard defense closely over the remainder of his absence. If nothing else, it should give a greater appreciation of DeRozan’s value on the defensive end.
Dirty D
Vikes & Raptors 4 Life
Why are you trying to dishonestly twist the argument ?
I said he isnt a good defender and certainly is not above average...
analytics defending his defense now
What speed ? He has no lateral speed defensively which is way he routinely gives up easy drives to the basket...
I'm dishonestly twisting things?
look in the mirror homieYou're complaining about our D, I show you that DeMar makes us a better defensive team than Lou/Vasquez, and you call that dishonest? I didn't say he was a great defender, just that he will improve the state of the team's defense as it currently stands. The numbers and the eye test back that up.
Let me be clear: we are NOT an elite team. I don't expect us to be an elite team at this stage. You seem to. Get real, teams with 22-year-old starting centers and a bloated overpaid end of the roster that have never been out of the first round cannot expect to be elite. We are in the early stages of what this team will become. The fact that we are taking care of business against the rank and file of the NBA is an encouraging sign for the future. Take the situation for what it is. We are still paying Marcus Camby for fukk's sake.
See I can play along, but for some reason you dudes always have an excuse for why the Raps win against those teams thinking that other teams don't get the same breaks or anything.
Not to mention that the raps are STILL missing there best player...
All the "elite" teams in the east have been beating up on weaker teams
but I digress...here we go
Atlanta - notable wins/losses
Losses - Cle,Tor, Orl, LAL, CHA,
Wins - NO, Chi, Cle, Hou, Dal, LAC, Cle, Por
Chicago - Notable Wins/Losses
Losses - NYK, CLE, Bos, Por, Den, ATL, IND, BKN,
Wins - Tor, LAC, Por, MIA, BKN,
WAS - Notable Wins/Losses
Losses - Tor, Atl, Cle, Bos, Pho, Chi,
Wins - Dal, Cle, Mia, Hou,
Cleveland - Notable wins/Losses
Losses - NYK, Por, Tor, Atl, Mia, Uta, Den, Det,
Wins - Chi, Atl, Was,
Now lets compare that to Toronto
Losses - Mia, Chi, Lal, Cle, Chi,
Wins - Atl, OKC, Was, Mem, Cle, Atl,
Toronto only has two losses to a team with a losing record, and for anyone that even watched that lakers game you know how much BS was in that game.
Not to bad for a team missing their best player.
Toronto losing to Orlando in the second quarter then going on to win has you guys saying blow it up yet Atl LOSES to ORL and y'all still think they are the best
Chicago loses 5 games to teams like Bos, NYK, and BKN and y'all still crowning them East champs
Cleveland loses 5 times to sub .500 teams and yet they are untouchable to you dudes
Toronto comes off a tough 6 game western road trip and lose to the top teams in the west and y'all are ready to blow it up.
Raps were two HORRIBLE calls away from beating Portland in portland.
but it's whatever you guys blow it up