Feminists keeping it classy at Toronto mens event.

[Mr. Somebody]

Marry a woman who obeys you and you wont have to worry about these types of people effecting your life. Lastly be a father to your child so they dont grow up to be feminists.

 

[Un-AmericanDreamer]

I saw a bit of the video and I agree its kinda corny to run up in events trying to block them but I also think this kinda give and take is the normal route of controversial stuff these days.. protests, counter protests, blah blah... so the 'mens' rights advocates' should probably try to engage constructively with the other side rather than retreat into just being angry at these women

Did you see the people in the clip? you can't have a serious discussion with people like that. They're protesting Warren Farrell, I mean Warren Farrell. Warren farrell is as mainstream an non-controversial as a cat as you kind find in the whole mens movement. If you're threatened by Warren Farrell you might as well just ask men to collective removely their ballsacks.

 

[PartyHeart]

Those who are part of the men's rights movement are loons, because they believe that the custody issue is a microcosm of society's treatment of men on the whole, and also misrepresent much of the issue using doctored stats and facts. In addition, they also ignore the wealth of empirical studies about women as parents that are used by the courts to justify their decisions, instead of actively dealing with them.

The reasonable men dealing with that same issue, on the other hand, recognize that patriarchy is at the root of their problem, too, since it is those same patriarchally-created gender roles that stereotype women as the supposedly-natural caretakers of children at men's expense, thus biasing the courts towards them. The studies indicating that women are "better" caretakers are themselves the product of a patriarchal society in which caretaking as a set of techniques and expectations was imposed on/invested in women and not men, so it makes perfect sense. There is a real irony in men's rights advocates, who constantly complain about women leaving their "proper" place in the home and losing their "femininity" then complaining when the courts act on that same stereotype (and the reality it has produced) and give women the custody of the children. In other words, the good activists working on that issue are part of the feminist movement.

One of the things some men fail to realize about feminism is that it always included space for dealing with what men have to suffer from the patriarchal standards they themselves set up. In the same way that James Baldwin and Frantz Fanon talked about the inadvertent problems experienced by white folks at the hands of their own racial construct, there have always been feminists who talk about men's problems. Another great example of this is the case of male domestic violence victims. The only people I know really working on that issue are feminist organizations, because they know and understand that patriarchy is precisely part of why there is a culture of silence around that issue- men aren't supposed to be victims of violence and abuse according to our gender roles. You might see men's rights groups complaining about male domestic violence as a way to try and lash out at feminists, but all the latest research, advocacy, and support programs for male victims are coming from feminist organizations, not from mens' groups. Many of these orgs have working groups for and led by men. Having done some activist work on race issues, I have seen this firsthand in a number of places.

Unfortunately, the stereotype of feminism propogated by mens' rights people is of a destructive and extremist camp that only wants to demonize men rather than engage productively with them, and so that minority of extremists are the feminists you see constantly portrayed in patriarchal or mens' rights-oriented media like the video in the OP.

So well said, wish I could rep you. The part in bold especially is a point I think a lot of people miss. "Men's rights groups" complain about being treated as expendable, but do a lot to endorse the stereotypes and keep them in place.

 

[the next guy]

@The Real @PartyHeart

Many Black women talk about the Women of Colour movement and find feminism to be white girl dominated, just want to cause trouble. Please either one of you or @Kool G Trap @TrueEpic08 speak on the women of colour movement

 

[zerozero]

the next guy check this

Intersectionality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Intersectionality is a feminist sociological theory first highlighted by Kimberlé Crenshaw (1989). Intersectionality is a methodology of studying "the relationships among multiple dimensions and modalities of social relationships and subject formations" (McCall 2005). The theory suggests—and seeks to examine how—various biological, social and cultural categories such as gender, race, class, ability, sexual orientation, and other axes of identity interact on multiple and often simultaneous levels, contributing to systematic social inequality. Intersectionality holds that the classical conceptualizations of oppression within society, such as racism, sexism, homophobia, and religion-based bigotry, do not act independently of one another; instead, these forms of oppression interrelate, creating a system of oppression that reflects the "intersection" of multiple forms of discrimination. [1]

 

[88m3]

They should be able to define themselves and create their own constructs. I have no sympathy for them.

 

[ThatKidBlackHippy]

I skimmed through the video the OP posted, that one girl who was calling that other dude a scum and getting all up in his face and shyt ... wtf

 

[ThatKidBlackHippy]

@The Real

Good post, but quick question - are those portrayed in the video here really such a minority tho? Going by my experiences in traveling and living in different parts of the world, from what I've seen a lot of these modern day "feminists" (especially those in or fresh outta college) all seem to gravitate to the behavior seen in the video (overly aggressive and perhaps outright illogical). I have seen a lot more of them "protest" about things like "The Slut Walk" and borderline trivial things instead of emphasizing on issues such as equal pay, etc ...

 

[the next guy]

the next guy check this

Intersectionality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you

 

[zerozero]

Thank you

there's a lot more than that.. but basically yeah there's a history of black feminism that sometimes responds to while still allied with mainstream, old feminism

Black feminism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so your hunch is right, there was a response to the 'white background' perspective of some feminists

here's a recent audio interview about it

http://wunc.org/tsot/archive/Modern_Day_Black_Feminism.mp3/view

In 1970, Beverly Guy-Sheftall helped create the first women’s studies department at Spelman College, and it became the first and only department of its kind at a historically Black college. Throughout her career, Guy-Sheftall shed light on and encouraged the work of Black feminism around the globe. Host Frank Stasio talks about the importance of Black feminism with Beverly Guy-Sheftall, professor of women’s studies and founder and director of the Women’s Research and Resource Center at Spelman College.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Those who are part of the men's rights movement are loons, because they believe that the custody issue is a microcosm of society's treatment of men on the whole, and also misrepresent much of the issue using doctored stats and facts. In addition, they also ignore the wealth of empirical studies about women as parents that are used by the courts to justify their decisions, instead of actively dealing with them.

The reasonable men dealing with that same issue, on the other hand, recognize that patriarchy is at the root of their problem, too, since it is those same patriarchally-created gender roles that stereotype women as the supposedly-natural caretakers of children at men's expense, thus biasing the courts towards them. The studies indicating that women are "better" caretakers are themselves the product of a patriarchal society in which caretaking as a set of techniques and expectations was imposed on/invested in women and not men, so it makes perfect sense. There is a real irony in men's rights advocates, who constantly complain about women leaving their "proper" place in the home and losing their "femininity" then complaining when the courts act on that same stereotype (and the reality it has produced) and give women the custody of the children. In other words, the good activists working on that issue are part of the feminist movement.

One of the things some men fail to realize about feminism is that it always included space for dealing with what men have to suffer from the patriarchal standards they themselves set up. In the same way that James Baldwin and Frantz Fanon talked about the inadvertent problems experienced by white folks at the hands of their own racial construct, there have always been feminists who talk about men's problems. Another great example of this is the case of male domestic violence victims. The only people I know really working on that issue are feminist organizations, because they know and understand that patriarchy is precisely part of why there is a culture of silence around that issue- men aren't supposed to be victims of violence and abuse according to our gender roles. You might see men's rights groups complaining about male domestic violence as a way to try and lash out at feminists, but all the latest research, advocacy, and support programs for male victims are coming from feminist organizations, not from mens' groups. Many of these orgs have working groups for and led by men. Having done some activist work on race issues, I have seen this firsthand in a number of places.

Unfortunately, the stereotype of feminism propogated by mens' rights people is of a destructive and extremist camp that only wants to demonize men rather than engage productively with them, and so that minority of extremists are the feminists you see constantly portrayed in patriarchal or mens' rights-oriented media like the video in the OP.

 

[Fellatio]

mens rights just a bunch of ******* women's too.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

male domestic violence victims.

@Nature Boy Ric Flair

 

[Serious]

interesting clip....

 

[PartyHeart]

@The Real @PartyHeart

Many Black women talk about the Women of Colour movement and find feminism to be white girl dominated, just want to cause trouble. Please either one of you or @Kool G Trap @TrueEpic08 speak on the women of colour movement

A lot of Black men see the woman of color (Womanist) movement of Black women to be some betrayal of Black men and the Black Power movement of the 70s. The problem is that they don't realize the implications that it was betrayal of Black men is exactly the reason why the spin-off movement was necessary. For the most part, a lot of the Black Power movement was extremely male focused, even down to the pamphlets and protest. It was about getting back Black men's manhood. Nothing wrong with that, but coupled with the treatment of women at times during the movement and its negligence of specifically female issues, the Womanist movement was necessary. It wasn't even really about breaking free from the Black Power movement as much as having a separate one that addressed specifically female issues like sexism and misogyny against BW.

There are a lot of accounts from BW within the BP movement about the sexism they faced at the hands of some prominent leaders unfortunately. I remember watching one interview on it some years ago back in college and the woman said basically Black women weren't trying to trade in one master (white folks) for another (Black men). Although that sounds a little extreme, I can only imagine what it felt like being treated like a second class citizen within a movement that was supposed to be trying to free you from that.