Father of the GOP Southern Strategy, Lee Atwater, Infamous 1981 Interview
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Mikael Blowpiff
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@ the visual of Atwater on stage tearing it down in some Harlem jazz lounge.
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He released a blues album. He even won a Grammy.
The fukked up thing is that a lot of major Republican figures don't actually seem to believe half the shyt they say. Atwater was responsible for Willie Horton and the Southern strategy yet he's doing concerts with B.B King every week. He used to be backup guitar for Percy Sledge. Ann Coulter talks all that good shyt about how liberals are raping Lady Liberty in the ass while the ACLU beat up the p*ssy yet her entire social circle consists of New York liberals. Save for Hannity, who actually is a true believer and as stupid as he sounds, I'd say that most of these pundits and strategists are Rockefeller Republicans at most.
Brown_Pride
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i think this is a lot more common than we might take it for. BUT, i tend to judge a person on their actions, not their words. as action will often reveal the inner man when he would cloak himself in fine words...
The problem with acouple of these types of people is they act in two ways that are completely contrary to eachother. For people like this i tend to say they lean more towards the "eviler" of their actions as a person with good conscious would not play both sides.
bottom line, fuk'em.
Brown_Pride
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holy shyt this dude was dirty. lol
just watching the documentary now and OMG talk about the epitome of all the bad shyt you think about politicians.
i've said it time and again, I hate the republicans, but I gotta give them credit for the audacity and maneuvering they use, the games they play, because they play a good game.
just watching the documentary now and OMG talk about the epitome of all the bad shyt you think about politicians.
i've said it time and again, I hate the republicans, but I gotta give them credit for the audacity and maneuvering they use, the games they play, because they play a good game.
superunknown23
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After 40 years, the GOP's Southern Strategy has run its course.
Obama just showed that angry cacs aren't enough to win nationwide elections anymore
Obama just showed that angry cacs aren't enough to win nationwide elections anymore
Brown_Pride
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After 40 years, the GOP's Southern Strategy has run its course.
Obama just showed that angry cacs aren't enough to win nationwide elections anymore
call me paranoid but after watching the "game" they played these last couple of years i'm not ready to stick a fork in them. Particularly after watching this documentary, complacency and a sense that the GOP is somehow this toothless tiger now is done at the detriment of future elections, the future of america, and its people. It also looks to be a favorite mechanism the GOP uses. They paint themselves up as these dumb asses when clearly they are not.
We have to remember this is the group that has roughly 50% of the country voting against their own best interests...that's powerful and dangerous.
superunknown23
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Indeed.
Poor whites overwhelmingly vote republican... and oppose raising taxes on the rich
How are tax hikes on the rich in the poor's interest
Given the govt is going to spend whether or not its collecting the money to pay for programs
And tax federal tax rates for the bottom half of the country are negative
Given the govt is going to spend whether or not its collecting the money to pay for programs
And tax federal tax rates for the bottom half of the country are negative
Brown_Pride
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simple really. That shy does need to be paid somehow. What have the rich done to deserve better tax rates than the poor. Keep it real when ROmney pays less taxes than his housekeeper and yet poor folks still think catering even more concessions to the rich are gonna help them?
What's telling is that while both sides agree tax breaks for the middle class is a good thing the GOP is going to hold that little bit of legislation hostage until they get their extended tax breaks for rich folk too.
This is like holding a gun to your own head and using the threat of force against yourself as a bargaining chip
I'm hoping Obama let's the pull the trigger too. I hope he lets the GOP hold up the tax breaks and is smart enough to make it publicly known that he wants to give tax breaks to the middle but the GOP doesn't want to unless rich get it too.
Romney is the exception, not the rule. Average tax rate for 1%ers is, and has been for the last couple of decades, in the low 30-high 20% range. Tax rates for everyone else has been dropping. Middle class (40th-60th%ile) dropped from ~19% to 11% over the last couple of decades. The bottom 20% has a total tax rate of 1% down from damn near 10% at their tax rate peak. And thats everything- FICA, SS, MC, all federal taxes. So can we please stop with this "rich arent paying their fair share" lie. That shyt is as played out as the 47% garbage
Here is info on paid tax rates, check it out
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=456
The rest of your post is predicated on that misinformation so I won't address it. Yes there is an income problem in the country. But we have to fix that by creating a system that makes US workers more competitive. That means more investments in skills & training that leads to jobs (i.e. NOT unlimited loans for unemployable degrees that people will never pay back in full). That means a simplified tax code for everybody. That means a govt that works with instead of against businesses. Wealth problem is a symptom of the income problem but changing our spending habits & attitude towards saving will also help. But the point is, we're not gonna fix anything with arbitrary tax hikes. We have a fiscal problem and we need to raise revenue to fix it. Middle class effective tax rates have been falling while rich tax rates have stayed steady. Just based on that info alone who's taxes really need to go up?
Brown_Pride
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the problem with everything you just posted is idgaf that the top 1% pay more taxes
John R. Talbott: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes?
it's pretty unrealistic for someone making minimum wage (15K A YEAR) to be expected to pay any sort of income tax outside of SS and medicare and still be expected to survive. There's a reason the tax table looks like it does. You're attributing ONLY NUMBERS to a situation that actually affects LIVES, real people and not just bottom lines.
Upping the tax rate on the rich isn't going to hinder their ability to make money. Continuing without increasing revenue is going to screw this country.
Give those who CAN pay more, why not make them do so for the betterment of the country?
the problem with everything you just posted is idgaf that the top 1% pay more taxes
John R. Talbott: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes?
it's pretty unrealistic for someone making minimum wage (15K A YEAR) to be expected to pay any sort of income tax outside of SS and medicare and still be expected to survive. There's a reason the tax table looks like it does. You're attributing ONLY NUMBERS to a situation that actually affects LIVES, real people and not just bottom lines.
Upping the tax rate on the rich isn't going to hinder their ability to make money. Continuing without increasing revenue is going to screw this country.
Give those who CAN pay more, why not make them do so for the betterment of the country?
You still miss the point
The poorest of the poor in America DID pay more in the not so distant past
Not even 5 years ago, bottom 20% were paying 5x as much taxes. 10 yrs ago, bottom 20% were paying 7x as much taxes, 2nd to bottom were paying 2x as much taxes, 3rd to bottom 20% were paying 50% more taxes. That was right after the dot com bust, and somehow they + the country survived. So what's changed so much in the last 5-10 years that rationalizes the 60% of the country that's seen their taxes decrease the most getting MORE tax cuts, while the folks paying the MOST getting tax HIKES? It won't be long before the bottom 20% pays no taxes. History shows everyone could afford to pay more- taxes were higher for the lower + middle class through every previous economic downturn
Brown_Pride
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just because it was historically that way doesn't mean it was the best way. Historically there was a lot of shyt that "technically" we could do again but that doesn't make it a good idea.
and you're original question of "how are tax hikes on the rich in the poor's interests."... to answer that questions, if we tax the rich more we can tax the rich less.