Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Good point. Although, I think it has different implications when you think about Peter Pettigrew willingly became a rat to hide and was in the care of an innocent boy. The way they set up Nagini, she's obviously had a fukked up life and will transform into a snake because of some degenerative condition. Then there's the whole racial thing. I don't know. It's kinda messed up. Plus, I'm just kinda tired of JKR making up new shyt about old stuff she wrote, whether it fits or not.

See that's the dilemma with diversity; do you cast lily white actors and they take all the parts or do you diversify the cast and risk casting choices that have unfortunate implications? On the surface there's nothing wrong with Nagini but if you add modern social elements into the mix it is problematic, which is why I don't know if we should do that when it comes to a fantasy series.

 

[Deltron]

This was a mess! Information dumps all over the place. And a lot of it didn't make sense and fukked up what the HP books established. Also character development was destroyed. Especially one character in particular, whose actions made no damn sense. There were moments where you could see the kind of movie it could have been, but overall, this was the worst entry in the entire wizarding world franchise. I might not see the next one. J.K. Rowling fukking up her legacy. She better think hard before moving forward.

I'd give this a 3 1/2. The only great thing I can say is there was a lot of black folks. I just wish we had a better wizarding film to shine in.

so is it true that the story's evolving less about the beasts and more into a stealth vehicle for Dumbledore's origins?

 

[NobodyReally]

See that's the dilemma with diversity; do you cast lily white actors and they take all the parts or do you diversify the cast and risk casting choices that have unfortunate implications? On the surface there's nothing wrong with Nagini but if you add modern social elements into the mix it is problematic, which is why I don't know if we should do that when it comes to a fantasy series.

Well yeah if you're not going to be thoughtful and treat the characters right, don't do it. The problem is white writers have a problem with making people of color fully developed and human with real story lines. No one forced JKR to put diversity in there, she chose to and did it poorly. I don't like the attitude that we shouldn't say something when someone does diversity poorly because at least they're trying. Nobody learns and nothing changes if we don't say anything.

so is it true that the story's evolving less about the beasts and more into a stealth vehicle for Dumbledore's origins?

Yes, I would agree with that. Seems like it

 

[Deltron]

guess I'll just sit back and watch what happens

 

[Gustavo J]

Got a free screening tonight brehs....

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Well yeah if you're not going to be thoughtful and treat the characters right, don't do it. The problem is white writers have a problem with making people of color fully developed and human with real story lines. No one forced JKR to put diversity in there, she chose to and did it poorly. I don't like the attitude that we shouldn't say something when someone does diversity poorly because at least they're trying. Nobody learns and nothing changes if we don't say anything.

You don't seem to understand what I'm saying so I'll repeat myself; this issue is caused by people inserting their own insecurities or wider social issues into a children's fantasy world. There's no underlying malicious intent in regards to race and gender as it refers to Nagini being Voldemort's pet. The target audience (children and teens) are not framing this character in the social justice lens that adults are. She's just what the book describes her as; a shapeshifting snake. It's ridiculous and honestly tiresome that these benign fantasy worlds must conform to emotional and irrational social justice standards. This isn't Song of the South; there is no implicit implication of status based upon the gender or ethnicity of the character. The character is Voldemort's pet because THAT is the way it was written, not because her human form is a female Asian.

 

[NobodyReally]

You don't seem to understand what I'm saying so I'll repeat myself; this issue is caused by people inserting their own insecurities or wider social issues into a children's fantasy world. There's no underlying malicious intent in regards to race and gender as it refers to Nagini being Voldemort's pet. The target audience (children and teens) are not framing this character in the social justice lens that adults are. She's just what the book describes her as; a shapeshifting snake. It's ridiculous and honestly tiresome that these benign fantasy worlds must conform to emotional and irrational social justice standards. This isn't Song of the South; there is no implicit implication of status based upon the gender or ethnicity of the character. The character is Voldemort's pet because THAT is the way it was written, not because her human form is a female Asian.

Asian children and their parents disagree. Cho Chang was a perfect example of tokenism and she was widely derided by the Asian community as one dimensional and stereotypical. If an Asian person doesn't like the characterization and depiction, I'm not gonna tell them they don't have the right to be offended.

There are entire courses on the history of sexist messages and depictions within children's literature and science fiction. People always write with their biases and agendas. If you really believe that's not true then we'll just agree to disagree.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Asian children and their parents disagree. Cho Chang was a perfect example of tokenism and she was widely derided by the Asian community as one dimensional and stereotypical. If an Asian person doesn't like the characterization and depiction, I'm not gonna tell them they don't have the right to be offended.

There are entire courses on the history ofdsexist messages and depictions within children's literature and science fiction. People always write with their biases and agendas. If you really believe that's not true then we'll just agree to disagree.

Then just let whitey write what they know, white people, but don't get mad when they don't cast for diversity. A lot of these characters aren't written with that shyt in mind.

Also, white people, particularly white men, get offended by shyt all the time now and we collectively tell them to east a dikk, and rightfully so. People have a right to be offended but that doesn't mean their complaint is legitimate or worthy of consideration. It's a case by case basis.

 

[NobodyReally]

Then just let whitey write what they know, white people, but don't get mad when they don't cast for diversity. A lot of these characters aren't written with that shyt in mind.

Also, white people, particularly white men, get offended by shyt all the time now and we collectively tell them to east a dikk, and rightfully so. People have a right to be offended but that doesn't mean their complaint is legitimate or worthy of consideration. It's a case by case basis.

I guess my problem is what you're saying is that people can't voice their opinion. Like basically any time people now have an opinion about art, literature, music, if it doesn't make the artist feel good, they have to "stop whining". I'm voicing my opinion. Whether you or JKR thinks it "worthy of consideration" really doesn't mean much to me. I'm on a Internet forum. I had a problem with the way race was handled in the movie. I don't expect Warner Bros or JKR to change anything because of what I said on the Coli. But I'm expressing my opinion on why I think race was handled poorly here and I might not pay money for another JRK film as a result.

And I'm sorry as much lip service JKR gives to diversity and social justice, she brings that critique on herself. You can't talk all that woke shyt on Twitter every day and then not be judged by the same shyt you criticize everyone else for. It don't work like that. She claims to be woke and for diversity, but she only uses it as a plot device and falls into tired tropes, and I'm glad she's getting ripped for it because you should act like you know something when you don't.

 

[Still FloW]

BLASSIC INCOMING

you fakkits need to keep that race baiting BS to the TLR.. lets enjoy our damn shyt in peace...

 

[BonafideDefacto]

#Ravenclaw game checking in. Watching this piff on Friday night. Not reading any reviews or metric scores. I'm ready

 

[NobodyReally]

BLASSIC INCOMING

you fakkits need to keep that race baiting BS to the TLR.. lets enjoy our damn shyt in peace...

You guys are fukking weird. I do reviews on movies I watch. I critique and I share observations. I don't "race-bait", which by the way sounds like something some alt-right white nationalist would say. So a black person who watches a movie can't make observations about how race is handled in a movie, especially when it's done poorly? The black dude in this movie was a throw away, the black woman in this movie was a pawn, the Asian woman becomes a pet for a evil dark lord. JKR has a history of just using people of color to further the plot without giving them any meaty substance. fukk outta here about race-baiting, it's a legitimate critique that critics of all races have made on this movie. I'm not gonna let some white troll to tell me to stop "race-baiting" just because they're scared of a conversation or critique about race within a movie.

 

[RajWatts]

Zoe the gawdess never disappoints

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

I loved it

#Ravenclawset
#daps+reps @BonafideDefacto

 

[BonafideDefacto]

Didnt get to catch it last night due to work but I definitely will be Tuesday