Famine...STARVATION...Delusion...RACIST: A Chicago Bulls Story (2014 Offseason Thread)

[5StarElite]

Honest question for an honest discussion:

How much clout has the success in the 90s have bought for the Bulls? I know it's not fair to judge because of injuries, but isn't it also fair to say that you can't judge success on getting the first pick (Rose)?

It seems every trade deadline and free agency period you guys get left out with nothing (assuming Melo or Lance doesn't go there this offseason, otherwise there is no point here). It's a historic franchise and a huge market, so I am wondering why that is. It really can't be the "cheapness" thing can it? What's the history here?

Again, not trying to throw shade, especially considering my team might be blown up. Just wondering.

A lot. Bulls have skated on that past success for years. Even when we were garbage, post Jordan, the UC still sold out. These dudes operate from a business standpoint, not a, win championships by all means necessary standpoint. One of the most profitable organizations in basketball and you pay the luxury tax for the first time last year? Everything is a financial decision, not a basketball decision. We basically spend like a small market team. Since the 2002-03 season, we're basically tied with the Milwaukee Bucks as far as spending, while being 3rd in revenue.

Here's all you need to know. Bulls passed on a prime Gasol, cuz we didn't want to pay the tax

Q. When did you realize that a financial deal had to be made?

A. I realized it when we tried to negotiate with Chicago. They weren't interested in giving us financial relief. We had other conversations with teams and the people they were giving us back were veterans with substantial money left on their contracts. They were not of the same quality that Pau was.

We didn't feel like we had a trade that was going to give us quality for quality or someone that would change the direction of the team that much. We had conversations with Chicago which were non-satisfactory. They didn't want to take on the luxury-tax situation and Los Angeles was. In this league, if you're in a big-market area you can afford to do those things. We negotiated as hard as we could for quality players and (Chicago) refused to give up anybody in their core group. What they offered us were guys who play on the second and third team, so we turned them down.

Brown's reluctance to play in the NBA might actually be moot anyway. If the Bulls were to do a sign-and-trade with Brown, they would be facing a luxury-tax hit by adding to their payroll the full amount of any players acquired in the deal. According to Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley, one reason Gasol wasn't traded to the Bulls was because of Chicago's unwillingness to pay the luxury tax

 

[cornercommission2k12]

"HOW COME MELO DONT WANT US MAN?....."

 

[HNIC973]

"HOW COME MELO DONT WANT US MAN?....."

no big time free agent wants us

 

[Lefty Gunz]

no big time free agent wants us

Eddie Robinson, Ron Mercer

 

[god shamgod]

The bulls would be fools to keep waiting on melo or gasol.Pau is waiting to see what lebron or melo does for his next decision and melo is waiting on bosh and lebron or staying in new york.They can't be this naive.I tried to give the bulls fo the benefit of the doubt this summer and there's still a chance this off season can be salvaged but if they're sitting around looking at their phones waiting on melo when they can take a hint he isn't coming here while other moves can be made they are straight up clueless.Also amnestying boozer shouldn't be an issue with the profits this team just made this past season and the profits the bulls been making since the 80's + insurance covering 80% of roses contract these last 2 years.Call lances agent and tell him you have a contract starting at 11-11.5 for 4-5 years to be the bulls starting sg trade dunleavy jr and amnesty boozer and give the rest of the cap space to mirotic(2.5-3) It's a slap in the face to the fans to be this damn frugal.

 

[red222]

@KCJHoop: Until told otherwise, Bulls obviously operating as if they're still in Carmelo sweepstakes. Other plans in limbo until Carmelo decision.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

@KCJHoop: Until told otherwise, Bulls obviously operating as if they're still in Carmelo sweepstakes. Other plans in limbo until Carmelo decision.

the hard headed never learn

Obviously he falling back to wait and see what happens in Miami otherwise if he was really about what he said before, he done made his money he wants to win, he would have decided Chicago by now.

Lance, Jarrett jack right there for the taking. Would still have assets to make a deal for Kevin love.

These dudes go end up over paying somebody and still won't have quality guard help

If you were all in on melo should have traded taj.

 

[J-MIL]

I still dont get why we dont just pay lance. One of the better 2 guards in the league. Theres not many good ones out there. Thibs can handle lance. Its been our most glaring problem since jordan. fukk it take a chance. Lance got heart and knows how to fukk with the players the bulls struggle beating. The Bulls need his attitude. At worst he would be Nate with more size. Amnesty Boozer get lance. Big problem fixed and Chicago fans would fall in love with lances attitude. Sounds like win win for us as fans.

This

At this point they need to go all in for Lance. Him plus Jimmy on the wings would be nasty.

Plus he's a good defender and can put up 20 on any given night. We'd have the probably the best rebounding guard duo in league as well. Would also give us that other guard that create his own shot

 

[red222]

@McGrawDHBulls: If Bulls could trade Dunleavy, Randolph, Snell & either McDermott/Butler, would have cap space to give Melo around 4yrs/$77.3 mil
@McGrawDHBulls: Add in the "virtual" 5th season and it's 5/$98.8. Would imagine the weekend was spent trying to sell Phil Jackson on sign & trade.

 

[red222]

@McGrawDHBulls: Obviously, Carmelo would prefer a sign & trade to Bulls. Could keep more pieces and theoretically, try to get Gasol with MLE.

 

[GoldenGlove]

Yal willing to pay 11 to 11.5 for Lance or Parsons?

 

[red222]

Yal willing to pay 11 to 11.5 for Lance or Parsons?

Lance

 

[HNIC973]

Yal willing to pay 11 to 11.5 for Lance or Parsons?

Lance yes Parsons no

 

[J-MIL]

Yal willing to pay 11 to 11.5 for Lance or Parsons?

Lance easy....Mcbuckets is basically a unproven Parsons

 

[jwinfield]

Yal willing to pay 11 to 11.5 for Lance or Parsons?

Lance yeah.

I like Parsons, but we already have enough forwards on the team.