Faith is nothing more than stupidity

[ltheghost]

Well, I have to disagree. While I think we don't, and may never be able to know if a god exists, our beliefs influence our behaviors. If I see people making bad decisions based on what I feel are misguided beliefs, then sure, I'm going to try to explain why I think everyone should abandon them.



I don't think it is different

I get that. But at the end of the day people are going to believe what they want. No need to cause people extra stress or throw them out of the matrix if they believe or don't believe. It's really about what you believe. Because no one is going to be holding your hand when death comes. Its a solo journey to the great unknown. For a lot of people they are going to act the same whether God is watching or not. Human nature is a funny like that. You want to know what a person truly believes, watch them prepare to die. If anything we should all want to be good to each other because we may have kids living on this planet one day too. But oh well.

 

[NoMayo15]

But for now i'll share how I appreciate that the Book of Peter prophesied that you would ask this. 2 Peter 3:3,4.

So... let me get this straight.

One reason you believe the bible is because it predicts that people will doubt a book which makes claims of virgin births, returning to life after 3 days of death, worldwide flood, talking snakes, etc, etc.....And since that's true, then it also saying God was at the beginning and created the heavens and Earth must also be true.

Wow, you've convinced me. Where do I sign up to spread this good news?!

What an AMAZING PREDICTION. And such great reasoning skills by you, Taadow. Who would have thought that people might not believe completely incredible, unbelievable stories in a book?! Just wow. God is good.

 

[Taadow]

So... let me get this straight.

One reason you believe the bible is because it predicts that people will doubt a book which makes claims of virgin births, returning to life after 3 days of death, worldwide flood, talking snakes, etc, etc.....And since that's true, then it also saying God was at the beginning and created the heavens and Earth must also be true.

Wow, you've convinced me. Where do I sign up to spread this good news?!

What an AMAZING PREDICTION. And such great reasoning skills by you, Taadow. Who would have thought that people might not believe completely incredible, unbelievable stories in a book?! Just wow. God is good.

So no, you don't have this straight...

This particular verse highlights how you would scoff at today's happenings and write them off as if the world today is the same as it always has been. And that's fine...this is not an argument...I'm not trying to convince you - you can believe whatever you want.

On topic though, you still have faith everyday.

 

[Taadow]

dbl

 

[same damn lo sweater]

personally i like playing around with different ideas of faith. i couldn't articulate it to anyone & don't really care to, but i lean towards it most of the time

not at all a fan of religion though, it leads to bad thinking patterns (groupthink, irrational biases, separatism)

 

[Chris Mauro]

we put faith in things everyday, trivializing it by making it an extension of religion is stupid and pointless

there's a difference in having faith that the earth will continue to spin as it's always done and that the sun will rise like it always does and believing that God spoke to a couple prophets in isolated caves thousands of years ago.

 

[NoMayo15]

So no, you don't have this straight...

This particular verse highlights how you would scoff at today's happenings and write them off as if the world today is the same as it always has been. And that's fine...this is not an argument...I'm not trying to convince you - you can believe whatever you want.

On topic though, you still have faith everyday.

Okay? But do you not use this scoffing to affirm your belief in God? Is this the track record that justifies your faith that you speak of?

 

[Taadow]

Okay? But do you not use this scoffing to affirm your belief in God? Is this the track record that justifies your faith that you speak of?

It is a part of such, and I do - thank you for doing your part in fulfilling prophecy.

 

[NoMayo15]

It is a part of such, and I do - thank you for doing your part in fulfilling prophecy.

No problem. And I scoff at the notion that this is a prophecy. That'd be like me, No Mayo, prophesying that in the future there will be wars. Does that mean I'm divine if there are wars between now and a thousand years from now?? OF COURSE some people are going to doubt an armageddon prediction. It's not amazing to predict something thats impossible NOT to happen.

 

[Taadow]

No problem. And I scoff at the notion that this is a prophecy. That'd be like me, No Mayo, prophesying that in the future there will be wars. Does that mean I'm divine if there are wars between now and a thousand years from now?? OF COURSE some people are going to doubt an armageddon prediction. It's not amazing to predict something thats impossible NOT to happen.

Actually sir, to say that is prophecy by definition.

You don't have to be "divine" to prophesy.

...but are you saying you have faith in the notion that there will be wars?
(that's rhetorical)


Good night.

 

[NoMayo15]

Actually sir, to say that is prophecy by definition.

You don't have to be "divine" to prophesy.

...but are you saying you have faith in the notion that there will be wars?
(that's rhetorical)


Good night.

Sure, but just because I might be right about wars hundreds of years from now, that doesn't mean EVERYTHING I say is necessarily true. Saying that one, or even a dozen so-called prophecies in the bible therefore validates every claim it makes is just incredibly naive. I don't see how such things could convince an otherwise logical person.

 

[resurrection]

Faith is not stupidity.

YOU personally can't understand believing in something without evidence, but that's your own outlook. Your personal outlook on life isn't what everyone else subscribes to. I've known many people who've been through it all... had the money, the women and had all the other luxuries this world provided them, but they never felt satisfaction until they've put their faith in Jesus. They didn't find satisfaction with all of the riches of the world. They found their fulfillment in their faith. This notion that if you have faith that you are somehow some kind of dunce is an ignorant assumption. I can go on with this argument, but these circular arguments get very tiring.

I def agree that faith doesn't make you stupid - that's really an unfair thing to say. I will say though that just because people find fulfillment in their faith doesn't make it any more true. People find fulfillment through other cults too that lead them to drinking the kool aid or some other fantastical shyt. That says more about the person than it does about the faith, in my opinion.

 

[Blackking]

we put faith in things everyday, trivializing it by making it an extension of religion is stupid and pointless

Basically. Faith doesn't equal stupidity or religion.

My issue with it all is this.

Grandma used to tell me "If you take 1 step baby, God will take 2" RIP Gma. So basically if I tried at solving my issues, that god will assist me along the way to get me there. I think a lot of religious people will put all faith and 0 effort, which results in 0 result....and ending up with more prayer. Great cycle.

Secondly, its a concept that detracts all humans involvement with human affairs. If you spend your whole life waiting on meeting Jeesus and not improving your world other than telling folk about meeting him too....how is that giving to your grandkids? .
Slaves.

I see slaves everyday. I don't know if they're religious or not.. but what I do know if that they have faith in all sorts of things that they shouldn't have faith in. I see people drink the koolaid on all sorts of political and social issues...

I also see sorry muthfukkas not put forth effort in shyt everyday. There are people who have completely given up on life in general, or just chose to not make a better life for themselves. Hardly anyone waits on Jesus to come down and correct their situation. I'm not a Christian, but I don't believe this is an educated assessment of the situation. If Christianity is equaled no motivation because of ur faith, then how do you explain the fact that most successful people are Christian??

 

[Black Sinatra]

Basically. Faith doesn't equal stupidity or religion.


I see slaves everyday. I don't know if they're religious or not.. but what I do know if that they have faith in all sorts of things that they shouldn't have faith in. I see people drink the koolaid on all sorts of political and social issues...

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I also see sorry muthfukkas not put forth effort in shyt everyday. There are people who have completely given up on life in general, or just chose to not make a better life for themselves. Hardly anyone waits on Jesus to come down and correct their situation. I'm not a Christian, but I don't believe this is an educated assessment of the situation. If Christianity is equaled no motivation because of ur faith, then how do you explain the fact that most successful people are Christian??

-You could call it a "faith" in the political system or social issues. I would call it concern or active participant in. What's the number one thing you hear from a religious person on the discussion of social/political issues? "This world is about to end" or "He's going to hell"etc. You say shouldn't have "faith" in, I disagree because if our human affairs can't be fixed by humans.....then why the fuk are we here?


Successfull christians...in America you mean. The world is bigger than the biblethumping, psuedochristians we have here. I know for a fact people actually do expect Jesus to come and solve their problems everyday.

 

[DEAD7]

I can't understand the concept of blindlessly believing in anything without evidence. And that's all faith is to me.

So, because you can't make sense of it its stupid?




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