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again, i'm still wondering how they earn money besides ad revenue.

plus i remember reading somewhere that the percentage they get from ads is very low compared to other websites because 1: they conciously choose to have less ads (which is actually a good thing for the members except that it seems like they're getting more and more) and 2: facebook members click ads a lot less because they tend to be younger and tend to avoid ads almost by reflex.

thing i want to understand, if they made an IPO, that means they issued new shares and got cash in return right? and if so, what exactly are their plans with that cash? what exactly will they invest in and what will be their strategy? will it be put in R&D? more staff? acquisitions? patents? maybe outside investments that don't necessarily have to do with the development of facebook.com?

that's why it's too early to tell whether or not it's a good buy at this price or rather what a "fair price" would be. it seems like no one really knows anything. we barely know how they plan to generate revenue let alone project growth in earnings so how can we evaluate the company's value? and if we can't estimate the value, how can we say 30 is a good price, 35 is too much, or whatever? unless your playing the speculation game (which i'm not dissing, i just don't know anything about it so i stay away from it)
 

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again, i'm still wondering how they earn money besides ad revenue.

plus i remember reading somewhere that the percentage they get from ads is very low compared to other websites because 1: they conciously choose to have less ads (which is actually a good thing for the members except that it seems like they're getting more and more) and 2: facebook members click ads a lot less because they tend to be younger and tend to avoid ads almost by reflex.

thing i want to understand, if they made an IPO, that means they issued new shares and got cash in return right? and if so, what exactly are their plans with that cash? what exactly will they invest in and what will be their strategy? will it be put in R&D? more staff? acquisitions? patents? maybe outside investments that don't necessarily have to do with the development of facebook.com?

that's why it's too early to tell whether or not it's a good buy at this price or rather what a "fair price" would be. it seems like no one really knows anything. we barely know how they plan to generate revenue let alone project growth in earnings so how can we evaluate the company's value? and if we can't estimate the value, how can we say 30 is a good price, 35 is too much, or whatever? unless your playing the speculation game (which i'm not dissing, i just don't know anything about it so i stay away from it)
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SCAM Alert! Apparently Facebook changed earnings predictions, mid IPO. This is likely proof of some insider trading and or some sort of scam. I sold all my shares at 34 for a small loss. I suggest anyone who purchased do the same, as this stock will likely plummet shortly. I'll likely get back in around summer time during Google I/O.
 

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May 21, 2012
Inside Job: Facebook I.P.O. Shows System Is Broken
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Monday morning’s big fall in Facebook’s stock hardly came as a shocker. It was clear on Friday that, at the offering price of $38 a share, there were more sellers than buyers. The only reason the stock held up was that Morgan Stanley, the lead underwriter on the initial public offering, stepped in and supported it. At the opening of trading this morning, the stock fell $5, to $33, before rebounding a bit. (At 2:30 P.M., it was at $34.75.)

That’s bad news for investors who thought their luck was in when they were allocated some Facebook stock. It’s also worrying news for I.P.O.s and the capital markets in general. In fact, a strong argument can be made that Facebook’s shaky start as a public company demonstrates that the entire I.P.O. process, which is supposed to spread the rewards to innovation, is broken. By the time Facebook’s stock started trading on the public market, insiders—the company’s founders, employees, and venture-capitalist backers—had bagged most, if not all, of the company’s value for themselves.

That’s fair enough, you may say. Mark Zuckerberg and some Harvard pals created the company. It was Facebook’s professional managers, such as Sheryl Sandberg, the chief operating officer, and David Ebersman, the chief financial officer, who turned it into a real business. And it was some savvy venture capitalists, such as Jim Breyer of Accel Partners, and David Sze of Greylock Partners, who first spotted its potential. Surely, these are the folks who should be rewarded. (Bono’s investment, which my colleague Virginia Cannon wrote about, also falls into the reasonably early category. In April, 2010, Elevation Partners, a venture-capital firm in which Bono is a partner, paid ninety million dollars for one per cent of Facebook.)

Up to a point, I would agree with you. But the I.P.O. system only works if it preserves a balance between public and private investors. If this balance is upended, and virtually all of the rewards are reserved for insiders, ordinary investors will refuse to play the game. A dearth of I.P.O.s would hurt insiders along with everybody else. More important, a time-tested system of financing companies, which rewards innovation and makes Silicon Valley the envy of the world, would be destroyed.

Traditionally, I.P.O.s provided early-stage technology companies with cash to finance their expansion. They also allowed early investors, the founders included, to extract some cash. Public investors, in return for bearing considerable risk, got the opportunity to share some of the wealth these companies created. Investors who bought into companies such as Amazon.com, Apple, and Google at the beginning and stuck with them saw their investments double many times over. In the case of Facebook deal, and in several I.P.O.s that preceded it, such as those involving Zynga and Groupon, ordinary investors were largely cut out of the wealth-creation process, and well-connected investment firms took their place.

The fact is, Facebook’s I.P.O. wasn’t really an “initial” stock offering. In December, 2010, Goldman Sachs raised $500 million for the company in a deal that, following objections from the Securities and Exchange Commission, was limited to overseas investors. In the I.P.O. world, these late-stage quasi-public offerings are called “D-rounds,” and they are becoming increasingly common. Zynga did one before its I.P.O., and so did Groupon. They provide a cashing-out opportunity for insiders who would rather not wait until the I.P.O. More to the point, they allow “hot” companies to bid up the price of their stocks well before the investing public gets a sniff.

Groupon’s D-round, which raised $950 million in January, 2011, valued the company at close to $5 billion. (It is now valued at $8 billion.) The Goldman offering for Facebook valued the company at $50 billion. (It is now valued at about $95 billion.) The valuations put on the companies in these deals were quickly reflected in the so-called “gray market,” where investors in the know could buy and sell the firms’ stocks well before they started trading on the open markets. Now that Facebook’s stock is trading publicly, many of the early players have already sold out, taking a handsome profit.

How will the public investors fare? So far, they aren’t doing well, but it is still early. I said the other day that Facebook isn’t necessarily a bubble stock, but it is undoubtedly a very expensive one. Buyers are bearing a lot of risk, and it is hard to see them ever reaping the sort of returns that investors in companies like Amazon and Google enjoyed. At twenty-five times trailing revenues and a hundred times trailing earnings, the $38 I.P.O. is already discounting an awful lot of expansion—and this at a time when Facebook’s growth rate has already slowed.

Maybe I am a grouch. But it all sounds suspiciously like an inside job, in which the last ones in, the ordinary investors, are the saps. (In this week’s magazine, James Surowiecki highlights another way in which the I.P.O. favored insiders.) At the very least, this entire issue is something that the authorities—the S.E.C., but also the Nasdaq and other stock exchanges—should be looking at closely.
 

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in other words, 85 percent of their revenue comes from ads which depends on how many members they have and how much activity they have. and the website is becoming less cool overtime. people still use facebook but at the same time, it's pretty common to hear people say "i barely go on facebook now..." and "facebook is not the same as it used to be..."

somewhat uncertain future. i don't think it will fall off as bad as myspace but i wouldn't buy shares personally.
 

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in other words, 85 percent of their revenue comes from ads which depends on how many members they have and how much activity they have. and the website is becoming less cool overtime. people still use facebook but at the same time, it's pretty common to hear people say "i barely go on facebook now..." and "facebook is not the same as it used to be..."

somewhat uncertain future. i don't think it will fall off as bad as myspace but i wouldn't buy shares personally.

Facebook has enough capital to acquire other companies and assets. I'm pretty sure they are going to diversify more eventually. They don't really have any major competition as far as social network media is concerned and they have almost 1 billion members so even if they lose 100 million, its not going to hurt that much. I think they will continue to dominate the market in that regard for the foreseeable future.
 

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Facebook has enough capital to acquire other companies and assets. I'm pretty sure they are going to diversify more eventually. They don't really have any major competition as far as social network media is concerned and they have almost 1 billion members so even if they lose 100 million, its not going to hurt that much. I think they will continue to dominate the market in that regard for the foreseeable future.
like i said, i don't think they will "fail". all i'm saying is that because of the nature of social networks in general, their whole reason why people join is because others are there. so the more you lose members, the more you lose members (and the reverse is also true). it's a vicious circle. that's why myspace got setbacks so fast. again, not saying facebook suffer as much (or even that they'll suffer at all).

it's just that i sincerely don't know what their strategy is, what their plans are, how or if they plan to make money off acquisitions, how much growth in membership and ultimately in ad revenue we can expect in the next 5-10 years. and not knowing that makes it hard to evaluate what a fair price for the business would be. is 30-35 a good price or not? who knows besides the people on the inside...
 

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like i said, i don't think they will "fail". all i'm saying is that because of the nature of social networks in general, their whole reason why people join is because others are there. so the more you lose members, the more you lose members (and the reverse is also true). it's a vicious circle. that's why myspace got setbacks so fast. again, not saying facebook suffer as much (or even that they'll suffer at all).

it's just that i sincerely don't know what their strategy is, what their plans are, how or if they plan to make money off acquisitions, how much growth in membership and ultimately in ad revenue we can expect in the next 5-10 years. and not knowing that makes it hard to evaluate what a fair price for the business would be. is 30-35 a good price or not? who knows besides the people on the inside...

You can't compare Facebook with Myspace. It's like comparing it with Blackplanet. Regular people aren't the only ones that use Facebook. It's used by numerous businesses as part of their marketing and promotion. It's way more linked in to society than myspace ever was. 900 million members. Facebooks business model is different. Twitter would be a better comparison than Myspace.
 

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furthermore, its the short term investors that are making the market move. I would wait at least a few months and let the dust settle before I start making any conclusions as to the overall stability of this stock.
i see what you're saying and i somewhat agree although i'm not talking about the short term stability of the stock. i'm talking about a longterm investment. what i'm saying is that it's too early and i don't think we have enough info to know if it would be a good investment and what a reasonable share price would be.

i think that overall we agree.
 
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The difference between what's happening to FB and what happened with a site like Amazon when they were struggling... is that Amazon had a lot of room to grow. Online shopping was a new venture but there was always hope that it would take off.

I'm wondering how FB can grow from what they already are...
 

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My reasons FB will NOT fail. It may not be the stock monster ppl think it will, but it wont fail b/c

- There's no competition. MySpace fell off b/c while it allowed ppl more freedom, it was TOO MUCH freedom and ppl overloaded pages with garbage. Facebook, you have to work within the framwork template. People like to be told what to do

- They're too far ahead. I've been on FB since 04. though I dont check it much these days, it's there if i want to. I have pictures on there that are several years old. Some ppl chronicle their kids every moment or their own every moment. They have 4-5 years worth of pictures that they're not gonna just leave and go to some other site.

- Twitter could become more popular if they can figure out how to get rid of al the spam and fake accounts, but it's not even competing directly against FB

Bullshyt, there's always competition you just have to look for it before it becomes an adversity.
 
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i knew something was fishy when on the 1st day it went public GM took all of its advertising dollars out of facebook.... so yea they did u people dirty
 
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