Everyone just gave a pass to the NOI for the hit on Malcolm X huh?

[Type Username Here]

Whelp, apparently Farrakhan said he killed malcolm(supposedly) and also that he didn't(as he states through all his interviews concerning the topic. It can't be both . The ones who know better and do the research instead of watching some 4 min video will see who the ONLY killers are. The gov.

It's well known Elijah and Malcolm didn't get along in the later years but does this mean the NOI is responsible for his death because some corrupt "members" carried out the gov. plan. This is how the operates bruh. Now because of some false information(this thread included), The NOI is looked as the evil nation who killed malcolm, are anti-Semitic, are not really for black people(the ignorant brothers and sisters), are enemies of the US etc etc etc.

Cult members are the same regardless of race or cult.

Was Malcolm your traitor or ours? And if we dealt with him like a nation deals with a traitor, what the hell business is it of yours? A nation has to be able to deal with traitors and cutthroats and turncoats

 

[Type Username Here]

Malcolm received numerous threats from the Nation leading up to his death, the atmosphere within the Nation towards Malcolm was incredibly toxic after he left. There was for a considerable period of restraint shown by the Nation, but that eventually ended. Wasnt John Ali an informant? I reuse to believe Elujah was kept out of the loop

No need to refuse anything:

Tensions increased between Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam. As early as February 1964, a leader of Temple Number Seven ordered a member of the Fruit of Islam to wire explosives to Malcolm X's car.[144] In September 1964, Ebony published a photograph of Malcolm X holding an M1 Carbine and peering out a window. The photo was intended to illustrate his determination to defend himself and his family against the death threats he was receiving.[145][146]
The Nation of Islam and its leaders began making both public and private threats against Malcolm X.On March 23, 1964, Elijah Muhammad told Boston minister Louis X (later known as Louis Farrakhan) that "hypocrites like Malcolm should have their heads cut off."[147] The April 10 edition of Muhammad Speaks featured a cartoon in which his severed head was shown bouncing.[148][149] On July 9, John Ali, a top aide to Muhammad, answered a question about Malcolm X by saying that "anyone who opposes the Honorable Elijah Muhammad puts their life in jeopardy."[150] The December 4 issue of Muhammad Speaks included an article by Louis X that railed against Malcolm X, saying "such a man as Malcolm is worthy of death."[151]

Malcolm X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Fillerguy]

 

[Type Username Here]

I'll say it again:

I'm sure the FBI was just itching to help the NOI by either providing assistance with the actual hit, or making sure the investigation didn't go beyond the hitmen.

 

[Newark88]

Well speaking from the perspective of a person who had family members apart of the NOI during the time of the 1st resurrection (when Elijah was alive), the notion that Elijiah Muhammed orchestrated the assassination is completely false. However, Malcolm's murderers were apart of the NOI. And they actually came from the mosque here in Newark, NJ. But they weren't alone in the hit. The head treasurer of the NOI at the time was a guy by the name of John Ali. Ali was a person that Malcolm often pointed to as causing the most friction between him and the NOI. Well, it just so happens that John Ali was a CIA informant who orchestrated the hit all along with getting into the ears of a few members, to carry it out. This was bigger then just the NOI. Even Malcolm noted that before he passed away, stating how plots orchestrated against him were bigger then just some rogue NOI members (since he taught them and knew their strengths and weaknesses) but had the work of the US government. Now contrary to popular belief, Elijah forbid his followers to attack Malcolm. He told them to leave him alone. The members were furious with Malcolm for slandering Elijah and yes, a lot of them wanted to do physical harm to him that could lead to death. But with all of that, Elijah told them to leave Malcolm alone. What you need to understand majority of the NOI at the time were ex drug dealers, bank robbers, pimps, extortionists, you name it. All they knew were the streets. They came from situations where little to no love was shown in their upbringing. Especially during the 40's, 50's, 60's, they were made to believe that they (black folks) were inferior and would never amount to anything. When NOI came around, it boosted their self esteem and made them believe that they were superior to their oppressor (whites). And the person who was spreading this message was Elijah. These people loved him. Elijah was like the father (or parent for that matter) they never had. I'm NOT saying all of this to make excuses for the sentiment amongst the NOI at the time (because Malcolm's death proved to show weak mentally some of them were at the time). I'm saying all of this so you can see clearly or have a better understanding of the psyche of these followers. You dealing with dudes that are walking the thin line between the righteous path and reverting back to the streets everyday. The streets is all they knew. And these are dudes in their teens, 20's, early 30's. They were growing up. They went from one extreme, being the streets, to another extreme, being in a disciplinary military style movement whom many confined to the leader as being their parent. If you from the streets and someone slanders your parent, your going to wanna deal with that person the only way you know how, which means reverting back to certain street activity. Was the sentiment wrong? Absolutely! All though they may have had the knowledge, a lot of them didn't have the wisdom to grow on and make better judgement in different situations (ie Malcolm) Overall, it was a "baby" nation. During Malcolm's exile and even after his death, he was simply known as the "traitor" who left Elijah. Malcolm's name became restored and honored in the nation when Warith Deen, Elijah's son, took over the ranks when Elijah fell ill. I see a lot of threads on here pertaining to certain topics and I'm often minute about it. But certain information that ya'll speak on is inaccurate, especially this topic. Some of ya'll may get references from books, blogs, youtube clips, etc. I get my references from the people were actually apart of the movement and saw what was going on first hand, through family members and elders around my city who I've had a good repertoire with since a young lad. So this explanation or comment isn't for the purposes of going back n forth. But for the purpose of giving you a side of the story that you may not ever get while reading something on the net. Peace

 

[Bud Bundy]

Well speaking from the perspective of a person who had family members apart of the NOI during the time of the 1st resurrection (when Elijah was alive), the notion that Elijiah Muhammed orchestrated the assassination is completely false. However, Malcolm's murderers were apart of the NOI. And they actually came from the mosque here in Newark, NJ. But they weren't alone in the hit. The head treasurer of the NOI at the time was a guy by the name of John Ali. Ali was a person that Malcolm often pointed to as causing the most friction between him and the NOI. Well, it just so happens that John Ali was a CIA informant who orchestrated the hit all along with getting into the ears of a few members, to carry it out. This was bigger then just the NOI. Even Malcolm noted that before he passed away, stating how plots orchestrated against him were bigger then just some rogue NOI members (since he taught them and knew their strengths and weaknesses) but had the work of the US government. Now contrary to popular belief, Elijah forbid his followers to attack Malcolm. He told them to leave him alone. The members were furious with Malcolm for slandering Elijah and yes, a lot of them wanted to do physical harm to him that could lead to death. But with all of that, Elijah told them to leave Malcolm alone. What you need to understand majority of the NOI at the time were ex drug dealers, bank robbers, pimps, extortionists, you name it. All they knew were the streets. They came from situations where little to no love was shown in their upbringing. Especially during the 40's, 50's, 60's, they were made to believe that they (black folks) were inferior and would never amount to anything. When NOI came around, it boosted their self esteem and made them believe that they were superior to their oppressor (whites). And the person who was spreading this message was Elijah. These people loved him. Elijah was like the father (or parent for that matter) they never had. I'm NOT saying all of this to make excuses for the sentiment amongst the NOI at the time (because Malcolm's death proved to show weak mentally some of them were at the time). I'm saying all of this so you can see clearly or have a better understanding of the psyche of these followers. You dealing with dudes that are walking the thin line between the righteous path and reverting back to the streets everyday. The streets is all they knew. And these are dudes in their teens, 20's, early 30's. They were growing up. They went from one extreme, being the streets, to another extreme, being in a disciplinary military style movement whom many confined to the leader as being their parent. If you from the streets and someone slanders your parent, you going to wanna deal with that person the only way you know how, which means reverting back to certain street activity. Was the sentiment wrong? Absolutely! All though they may have had the knowledge, a lot of them didn't have the wisdom to grow on and make better judgement in different situations (ie Malcolm) Overall, it was a "baby" nation. During Malcolm's exile and even after his death, he was simply known as the "traitor" who left Elijah. Malcolm's name became restored and honored in the nation when Warith Deen, Elijah's son, took over the ranks when Elijah fell ill. I see a lot of threads on here pertaining to certain topics and I'm often minute about it. But certain information that ya'll speak on is inaccurate, especially this topic. Some of ya'll may get references from books, blogs, youtube clips, etc. I get my references from the people were actually apart of the movement and saw what was going on first hand, through family members and elders around my city who I've had a good repertoire with since a young lad. So this explanation or comment isn't for the purposes of going back n forth. But for the purpose of giving you a side of the story that you may not ever get while reading something on the net. Peace

were these rouge members delt with after the assassination?

 

[Mowgli]

How did I know you were going to come and here and defend the NOI?

Malcolm's family and closest associates believe it to be a deliberate hit by the NOI for his words of criticism.

But you know more than they do right?

Its like an active general speaking out vehemently against the president or people way above his paygrade. Eventually, people in your clique are going to deal with you. Especially if its causing mutiny in the ranks.

 

[Newark88]

were these rouge members delt with after the assassination?

They were arrested and locked up before Elijah could get to them. One of Malcolm's shooters just came home a few years ago actually.

 

[Bud Bundy]

They were arrested and locked up before Elijah could get to them. One of Malcolm's shooters just came home a few years ago actually.

yeah i was just reading up on it.

 

[Newark88]

yeah i was just reading up on it.

Yea. But I just wanted to drop that jewel because it's a lot of misinformation in here. And I understand because a lot of people just don't know. Was their bad blood between Elijah/NOI and Malcolm? Yes it was. From what people who were apart of the movement then, have told me was that Elijah loved Malcolm, even to his dying day. Malcolm was like his son. But Elijah wasn't God, nor was Malcolm. They all had short comings. And just like any organization or group, your going to have jealousy or innuendo that threatens to divide that group. And they (CIA and weak minded negroes) succeeded in that with the NOI.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Yea. But I just wanted to drop that jewel because it's a lot of misinformation in here. And I understand because a lot of people just don't know. Was their bad blood between Elijah/NOI and Malcolm? Yes it was. From what people who were apart of the movement then, have told me was that Elijah loved Malcolm, even to his dying day. Malcolm was like his son. But Elijah wasn't God, nor was Malcolm. They all had short comings. And just like any organization or group, your going to have jealousy or innuendo that threatens to divide that group. And they (CIA and weak minded negroes) succeeded in that with the NOI.

Does the nation still follow the teaching of Wallace or do they follow traditional islam now?

 

[Techniec]

Does the nation still follow the teaching of Wallace or do they follow traditional islam now?

Wallace took over the nation, sidelined Farrakhan and turned it towards Sunni Islam

Some time afterwards farakhan resurrected the original nation

 

[newarkhiphop]

I never understood the black American Muslim thing

 

[Newark88]

Does the nation still follow the teaching of Wallace or do they follow the traditional islam now?

When Warith Deen took over the NOI in 1975, after his fathers passing, he did a 180 revamp of the organization. Because what people need to understand is yes the NOI has Islamic undertones but it was/is a black nationalist movement. When Warith Deen took over, he had majority of the followers convert to traditional/orthodox Islam, by taking their Shahada. This was the largest conversion to any religion in American history. This also goes to explain why cities like Chicago, Philly, or Newark are so black Muslim populated. Its solely because of that. Warith renamed the NOI to American Society Of Islam, and instead of becoming the 'Supreme Minister" which was NOI terminology meaning the leader (whom Elijah was) he simply became the chief imam. He appointed Farrakhan to a position (forgive me because I forget the name of it at the time) and was the one who changed Farrakhan's name from Louis X to Abdul Haleem Farrakhan. Some people didn't like the direction Warith wanted to take the nation because they felt Elijah's memory would be lost in it. So Farrakhan and a few others broke away and reintroduced the NOI doctrine in 1980. Although critical of his father and some of his methods, Warith understood what his father's purpose was and did agree that that type of movement was needed for the time it was in. Even when Farrakhan and some of the members broke away, he didn't hold any ill will towards them and has said "If they want to keep my fathers name alive then they should be allowed to do so". Over the years, the 2nd resurrection (Farrakhan as the head leader) still adhere to the same doctrine that WD Fard and Elijah taught almost 80 years ago but it has become modernized. You have have a lot of NOI members including Farrakhan, that take part in some of the main Islamic traditions (ie fasting, praying 5 times a day, etc) It's been debated over the years if Elijah really wanted the nation to go orthodox Islam. My uncle told me a story of when Elijah was on his death bed and Warith was teaching the followers. Warith was teaching the followers from the role of an imam as oppose to a 'minister". Some of the members were concern of this style of teaching so they got the tapes of Warith's lectures and played it for Elijah. After listening, Elijah told them "I think he (Warith) has it. I think he can take these teachings and take the nation to the next level". As I've said, I'm just going by what certain members have told me over the years.

 

[Newark88]

I never understood the black American Muslim thing

Blacks in America partaking in Islam has been here for hundreds of years. From some Africans already being Muslim when they came off the slave boats to these shores, to the doctrine/teachings of Noble Drew Ali and the Moorish Science Temple, to the doctrine of WD Fard Muhammed that gave birth to the NOI, to the revamp of the black muslim movement led by Warith Deen in the late 70's.