"Even Meek Mill Can't Even Comeback From This" 2019 Philadelphia Eagles Season Thread

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I see something completely different on that play . why didn't he lead him up the sideline . that's my exact problem right there .

:mjtf: PFF had mahomes a couple weeks ago ranked below DAK :hubie:


Bru these same WRs are sayin they balled under Foles.matter of fact this is how the offense looked before Foles came in last year too.

I think Wentz has played ok but we talkin bout makin the offense more consistent and reliable . Wentz along with others gotta play better.
He does lead him, not sure exactly what you’re seeing here. Alshon goes out of bounds on his own. Between this, Goedert dropping that sideline pass in Week 1, JJAW in Week 3, Agholor… just whenever, Mack Hollins failing to make a play on a potential TD that Wentz threw to him against the Vikings, Ertz dropping a 1st down later in that same game, etc. it’s being demonstrated that none of these receivers are making plays unless Wentz throws the ball perfectly (which will never happen 100% of the time in a game, for any QB). And even then, they are one of the worst receiving units in the NFL in terms of YPC. You gonna tell me that’s Wentz’s fault too?

I mentioned PFF to show how other people are watching the tape and coming to the same conclusions, not to present them as the end-all, be-all to the discussion. You can find several other examples (Baldy’s Breakdowns, BGN, etc.). You can also just watch the games and realize that Wentz has often been the only reason the Eagles are even in these games to begin with. Point is, we’re not the only people who see this.

Wentz has been doing just about everything you can reasonably ask of him – his Time-to-Throw is much improved from last year (even though you keep saying he holds onto the ball too much), he’s done a remarkable job with ball security (also improved from last season), and he’s been converting on 3rd Down and in the Redzone, two areas where the Eagles – contrary to what you said – have consistently been near the top of the league, again, a huge ass improvement from 2018. This with receivers who are incapable of making plays on their own, and a defense that cannot stop the pass.

No one is saying Wentz has been perfect, but I can’t sit here and think of any other QB who’s being asked to do more with less help from anyone on offense or defense.

And finally – these receivers did not ball out under Foles. The offense had one spectacular game against the Texans last season. The defense tightening up had more to do with the team’s turnaround (e.g. two of the TDs in the Rams game came after defensive turnovers) than anything else. When it’s up to Foles to carry the offense, you get the Falcons, Bucs, Bears, and Saints games, which were no better than anything the Wentz-led offense did that year.
 

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The more i think about it, I am starting to think maybe its a defensive player talking to Josina...and its none other than Malcolm Jenkins.

The source claims we dont check down enough, if anything Carson checks down more now, which says the person isnt really paying attention to offensive game film on mondays

The source also says we need to simplify things, isnt that what malcolm said about the defense last year.

He just criticized sidney jones kinda so he probably really wanted the team to get ramsey. Plus he isnt gonna diss the front office, doug pederson or carson publicly when he wants a new deal. He also knows publicly Alshon is connected to Josina so noone would suspect him.

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The more i think about it, I am starting to think maybe its a defensive player talking to Josina...and its none other than Malcolm Jenkins.

The source claims we dont check down enough, if anything Carson checks down more now, which says the person isnt really paying attention to offensive game film on mondays

The source also says we need to simplify things, isnt that what malcolm said about the defense last year.

He just criticized sidney jones kinda so he probably really wanted the team to get ramsey. Plus he isnt gonna diss the front office, doug pederson or carson publicly when he wants a new deal. He also knows publicly Alshon is connected to Josina so noone would suspect him.

:patrice:

I actually seen this coming when I was talking about the IQ between Wentz and foles we heard this both split in the locker room when it came to these two quarterbacks...It's a reason many in that locker room liked foles ....
 

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"If he is an MVP, do something to overcome the problem" - Max Kellerman

Wentz these last 3 weeks showed me he back on his shyt. However, i agree with Kellerman...its exactly what i said before.
Those tier 1 QBs have something about them that they always pull the win out. Maybe its ref help or something iunno, but they pull out the Ws
 
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I've said we need to make things simpler ....:wow:Yes I like Carson . Yes we took him in the first round . Yes he got an arm on him that can take the top off the defense. Yes we paid him . Yes I believe he has only thrown 3 interception this season. It something about foles were ever when things is bad they rally around foles it something about foles that those guys in the locker room like more than they do about Wentz. I don't know what it is either ...
 
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I'm kinda glad we get Mills back because I've grown accustomed to his consistent trash level of play with occasional good play as opposed to the varying levels of soul crushing disappoinment we've had recently.
 

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I've said we need to make things simpler ....:wow:Yes I like Carson . Yes we took him in the first round . Yes he got an arm on him that can take the top off the defense. Yes we paid him . Yes I believe he has only thrown 3 interception this season. It something about foles were ever when things is bad they rally around foles it something about foles that those guys in the locker room like more than they do about Wentz. I don't know what it is either ...


The more i think about it, I am starting to think maybe its a defensive player talking to Josina...and its none other than Malcolm Jenkins.

The source claims we dont check down enough, if anything Carson checks down more now, which says the person isnt really paying attention to offensive game film on mondays

The source also says we need to simplify things, isnt that what malcolm said about the defense last year.

He just criticized sidney jones kinda so he probably really wanted the team to get ramsey. Plus he isnt gonna diss the front office, doug pederson or carson publicly when he wants a new deal. He also knows publicly Alshon is connected to Josina so noone would suspect him.

:patrice:

I'm starting to think its Jason Peters.

Like they said in the video about an offensive player bishin about checkdowns it gotta be a lineman cause why would a receiver complain about it, He seems like a complaining ass nikka (I remember he was bishin about wiz at LG), he feels he has clout to talk shyt, he is kinda outspoken, these anonymous sources all started last year when he played a "full" season and as a bonus, I remember a few years back during the Chip kelly era when Chris Baker blindside molly whopped hit Foles on a turnover and Peters fought Baker and got ejected. I dont see him do that for Wentz ever really.

It is probably him. I solved it. Let this nikka retire. Dont resign him. :camby:
 
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weirdo players criticizing the one constant of the offense this season :snoop:. im sure whoever ran to josina like a ho feels a type of way of how the media is portraying that wentz is the only one showing up on offense this year and needs help (halfway true).

this might be a reoccuring theme going forward just off the strength of the nick foles superbowl. i actually thought it was agholor again but he denied the report as did alshon

gonna be a bunch of finger pointing if shyt gets ugly during this 5 game stretch
 

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honestly howie just needs to lowkey clean house after this season. why i respect the patriots they dont give a fukk they just do whats best for the team. howie seems to hold on to vets because he is loyal to a fault. also ive had the feeling that since our SB they think they are the smartest people in the room with some of their moves.

we need a new OC & DC if that doesnt happen this off-season expect a lot more of the same.
 

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weirdo players criticizing the one constant of the offense this season :snoop:. im sure whoever ran to josina like a ho feels a type of way of how the media is portraying that wentz is the only one showing up on offense this year and needs help (halfway true).

this might be a reoccuring theme going forward just off the strength of the nick foles superbowl. i actually thought it was agholor again but he denied the report as did alshon

gonna be a bunch of finger pointing if shyt gets ugly during this 5 game stretch

I knew it wasn't a receiver bc they complained about Wentz throwing the ball 15+ yds

not his fault receivers can't create separation
 

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The more i think about it, I am starting to think maybe its a defensive player talking to Josina...and its none other than Malcolm Jenkins.

The source claims we dont check down enough, if anything Carson checks down more now, which says the person isnt really paying attention to offensive game film on mondays

The source also says we need to simplify things, isnt that what malcolm said about the defense last year.

He just criticized sidney jones kinda so he probably really wanted the team to get ramsey. Plus he isnt gonna diss the front office, doug pederson or carson publicly when he wants a new deal. He also knows publicly Alshon is connected to Josina so noone would suspect him.

:patrice:
a certain defensive player just left the building this week :sas2:
 

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Bru thats our QB I like Wentz but some of y'all got your Wentz glasses on.

He ain't on the level of these young guns right now. Watson mahomes he supposed to be in that tier of the next generation.

I'm hearing he needs weapons all that but 1 thing I can't defend is the locker room.2 years in a row people came at him .he has a Lot to live up to. 2 years in a row Foles took the same team on a playoff run. He lost to Dallas twice last year . dont no body wanna hear about what he need or the defense . alshon and ertz is plenty he gotta go win this week point blank.
 

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Bru thats our QB I like Wentz but some of y'all got your Wentz glasses on.

He ain't on the level of these young guns right now. Watson mahomes he supposed to be in that tier of the next generation.

I'm hearing he needs weapons all that but 1 thing I can't defend is the locker room.2 years in a row people came at him .he has a Lot to live up to. 2 years in a row Foles took the same team on a playoff run. He lost to Dallas twice last year . dont no body wanna hear about what he need or the defense . alshon and ertz is plenty he gotta go win this week point blank.


Wentz glasses breh :martin:. Objectively. Wentz has been solid.

Wentz is currently among the highest-rated passers in football with over 100 or more dropbacks this season, and through six weeks, he is PFF’s second-highest graded quarterback at 90.6 (0.1 behind Seattle’s Russell Wilson). Wentz leads the NFL in negative play percentage and is one of the best in the league at making big-time throws (6.1 percent rate, seventh of 32).

The stats would even be higher if his receivers corps was not one of the leaders in the league in drops.

U been talking about intangible things. Really things that cant be measured.

Alot of us have criticized Wentz in here already. Me personally, I ve said that Wentz doesn't have as much touch on his throws as compared to hot streak Foles and others like Brady, Rodgers and Wilson. They consistently throws a more catchable ball.

I also think he doesn't adjust and turn it into backyard football once the defense is having a bad game and the offense is slow to start to bring them back. He has to learn to freestyle. It's a thing that separates Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady from the near elite pack to elite level. Mahomes and Watson also have the ability to freestyle to put their team in position to win when other things break down.

But like I said he needs his offensive teammates to make plays, block better, U cant have dudes dropping passes at this rate, not doing basic things like tracking a deep pass, not knowing where the first down sticks are and getting out of bounds where there is no defender near him for like 20 yards and he could jog in for a touchdown.
 
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