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Yeah SRL/Duran was in no way some epic boxing clinic. Leonard was winning by prolly 2 or 3 rds but that was it. It's one of those boxing performances that got overrated due to the situations surrounding the fight similar to Bryd/Vitali. nikkas make it like Vitali was kicking dude's ass all over the ring, but Bryd won about 3 rounds and was making that nikka miss mad punches all while countering and even putting him against the ropes. Viatli was winning, but he wasn't dominating or felt comfortable enough to coast against a smaller guy that was coming on and that he couldn't hurt. Those last couple of rounds would have been hell for him.

With Duran I felt it was a combination of things. Dude wasn't in his best shape and already did the so called impossible by beating Ray the 1st time. As soon as he saw dude come with a different game plan he knew what was up. He still gave it a good go, but Ray found his groove around the 6th round and was only going to pick it up from there. Duran knew that and prolly didn't want it to get that far of a schooling. SRL had his best moments late in the last fight and was basically going to improve off of that in the rematch.

Duran says he has no regrets, but if he could go back and do it again, he wouldn't quit. He prolly won't tell the real truth until he's on his death bed. His eyes looked sorry and defeated as fukk in the ring with SRL at the end of the show. That shyt said it all right there.

Great show nonetheless and I'll always respect Duran, but he did bytch out. He thought it would take away from SRL's performance and it did to an extent, but it backfired and made him look worse history wise.
His eyes at the end showed he was very guarded like someone who was lying about something, what is there to lie about, if you quit you quit why the a million excuses......

As far as Duran caring about history, he said it dont bother him that people scream No mas on the street then showed his mansion and Benz, being subtle as hell with the message they were trying to convey:pachaha:


Duran wa smug as fukk throughout this shyt, boxing fans ignore shyt right in front of their face tho
 

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And to those that actually watched the second fight and not seen documentaries it wasnt a one sided ass whipping like SRL and his supporters wanted you to believe, it was a close fight that Duran was still very much in.....:manny:

And Viruet is his match v Duran he ran and clowned way more than SRL, but no quitting there Duran kept storming for the full fight..............................:patrice:



As far as Duran excuse, A Bob Arum fighter said he had diarrhea and cramps, doesnt that sound awfully like Clottley who was also payed well more than he was worth plus a very public bonuses even though he aint do shyt, and disappeared later, follow the trail, all signs point to Arum fukkery.........

Probably a combo of being out of shape, not nearly as hungry, and Leonard coming on. He probably realized in the shape he was in and with Leonard dancing around the way he was he didn't have the energy to chase him for a full fight. Fguring that there'd be an immediate rematch, I think he just said fukk it I'll get you on the rematch.
 

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He looked good but he wasnt moving his hands like Sugar does, except for winding up his fist, and landing a few pot shots here and there
i think by about the 3rd or 4th round... it became clear there wasnt anything duran was going to be able to do to ray that night. even those wild lunges duran would come in like in the first fight werent working there was just nothing he could do to ray in there. thats one of the few fights were its so one sided it doesnt even look like youre watching boxing
 

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His eyes at the end showed he was very guarded like someone who was lying about something, what is there to lie about, if you quit you quit why the a million excuses......

As far as Duran caring about history, he said it dont bother him that people scream No mas on the street then showed his mansion and Benz, being subtle as hell with the message they were trying to convey:pachaha:


Duran wa smug as fukk throughout this shyt, boxing fans ignore shyt right in front of their face tho

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You got me thinking breh that Duran may have take one of those suspicious Joshua Clottey "I aint gonna punch at all, even though I'm landing the cleaner punches on Manny" or Victor Ortiz "I just fought Andre Berto in a war and was knocked down by brutal shots, multiple times, and still got up......but Floyd's weak 2 piece put me on dream street" fights
 
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i just now saw that skip b is saying duran took a dive. you dont wait 8 rounds to take a dive. you dont wait for a man to taunt you for a full round then wait to the middle of the next round to take a dive. in that 7th round when when ray was taunting duran for the whole round you can freeze frame the point that duran's soul leaves his body like when lisa broke up with ralph. you dont wait to be humiliated in front of the entire world for 8 rounds like that to take a dive. people saying that fight was close ive seen that fight a lot of times ive never seen one moment where duran was ever in control. tell me what rounds you felt duran could have won in all honesty and ill watch them again. you have to be related to duran to think he was winning any parts of that fight let alone actual rounds
 

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i just now saw that skip b is saying duran took a dive. you dont wait 8 rounds to take a dive. you dont wait for a man to taunt you for a full round then wait to the middle of the next round to take a dive. in that 7th round when when ray was taunting duran for the whole round you can freeze frame the point that duran's soul leaves his body like when lisa broke up with ralph. you dont wait to be humiliated in front of the entire world for 8 rounds like that to take a dive. people saying that fight was close ive seen that fight a lot of times ive never seen one moment where duran was ever in control. tell me what rounds you felt duran could have won in all honesty and ill watch them again. you have to be related to duran to think he was winning any parts of that fight let alone actual rounds


Yes, he was losing the fight....but when SRL turned it up on him, he knew he was done for the night. He didnt seem like he quit because of any damage that SRL did. He just quit like "man, I aint got time for this":manny:
 

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boxing when a fighter is boxing the right way is boring though, like when a pitcher pitches a no hitter. theres one sided dominations like hopkins vs trinidad but srl vs duran 2 is the closest thing you will see to a perfect game in boxing. duran couldnt even have ineffective aggression in there that night ray was outboxing him so bad he stopped him let that sink in for a second
 

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and then leonard ducked the rematch in typical leonard fashion
Oh yeah. That became abundantly clear. With the way that Leonard talked about being intimidated during the first fight, combined with how hard he pressed to have the rematch to catch Duran off guard then you know that Ray wanted nothing else to do with Duran.
 

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i just now saw that skip b is saying duran took a dive. you dont wait 8 rounds to take a dive. you dont wait for a man to taunt you for a full round then wait to the middle of the next round to take a dive. in that 7th round when when ray was taunting duran for the whole round you can freeze frame the point that duran's soul leaves his body like when lisa broke up with ralph. you dont wait to be humiliated in front of the entire world for 8 rounds like that to take a dive. people saying that fight was close ive seen that fight a lot of times ive never seen one moment where duran was ever in control. tell me what rounds you felt duran could have won in all honesty and ill watch them again. you have to be related to duran to think he was winning any parts of that fight let alone actual rounds


lisa and ralph who ?
 

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i just now saw that skip b is saying duran took a dive. you dont wait 8 rounds to take a dive. you dont wait for a man to taunt you for a full round then wait to the middle of the next round to take a dive. in that 7th round when when ray was taunting duran for the whole round you can freeze frame the point that duran's soul leaves his body like when lisa broke up with ralph. you dont wait to be humiliated in front of the entire world for 8 rounds like that to take a dive. people saying that fight was close ive seen that fight a lot of times ive never seen one moment where duran was ever in control. tell me what rounds you felt duran could have won in all honesty and ill watch them again. you have to be related to duran to think he was winning any parts of that fight let alone actual rounds
So what you wanted him to fall down from a phantom punch ODH style in round 1


There was no reason to quit a fight where your only 2-3 rounds off especially when you aren't taking any punishment
 

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finally watched it this morning...great stuff..espn did it again...and i was also pleased to see that duran still lives in absolute wealth after all those years and fights..duran is that dude but man did he have some excuses after that second fight lol..still top 10 of all time though...i never want them to show any highlights from that 3rd fight in the trilogy again though
 

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There was no reason to quit a fight where your only 2-3 rounds off especially when you aren't taking any punishment
duran couldnt hit leonard at all. he couldnt even pressure leonard the way he was using all of the ring that night. that was probably the best example of footwork ever. compare duran's punch output from the first fight to this fight. he was frozen out of this fight completely by it. everything duran tried failed. his trainer ray arcel kept saying to put ray on the ropes and everytime duran tried leonard was just too fast to be isolated and if he did catch him on the ropes he would flurry on duran and move back out again. nothing worked. ray fought a safe fight picked all his spots and duran might as well should not have even showed up that night. the last two rounds of that fight ray started to tag duran a lot more at will. and taunt him. it was clear which way that fight was headed. duran had to either quit or try to continue being in the same ring as a person that he cant hit but can hit him. he opted to quit. he didnt take a lot of punishment but that stoppage made sense from duran's persepctive.
 
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