[Enter Topic] Is Like Slavery...:snoop:

[DEAD7]

Has nothing to do with politics, unless you're advocating anarchy.

Its as close to anarchy as you can get without being an actual anarchy. But at least we have moved past whether or not the force/coercion is wrong, and to whether or not its necessary.

So having to pay taxes and obey the speed limit means I'm a slave?

How could I have been so blind? I feel Kunta Kinte's pain, brehs!

I might as well not specify -income tax- anymore, cause to liberals, that is all taxes

 

[bzb]

Very well

Income Tax(not taxes in general, specifically the income tax) all taxes/laws are backed by the threat of force.
Dept. of Education
Dept. of Homeland security/NSA
FDA
ACA(Obamacare)
The Federal Reserve
The Federal Reserve
The Federal Reserve
The Federal Reserve
The Federal Reserve
The Federal Reserve
& The Federal Reserve

this sounds like the musings of a person who believes slavery in america "wasn't all that bad". you're better off just ending this at "i'll just agree to disagree" and move on to the next topic. keep diggin this hole you're in and you'll end up in china.

 

[DEAD7]

Which one of these comparisons were accurate?

Sorry missed this. Sarah Palin's comparison was fair. The rest are ridiculous.

 

[DEAD7]

this sounds like the musings of a person who believes slavery in america "wasn't all that bad". you're better off just ending this at "i'll just agree to disagree" and move on to the next topic. keep diggin this hole you're in and you'll end up in china.

Slavery in america hasnt been considered at all in any way(by me). Slavery has...
I give up. They should just change the definition of slavery to the "the black experience in early America" and be done with it.

 

[bzb]

Slavery in america hasnt been considered at all in any way(by me). Slavery has...
I give up. They should just change the definition of slavery to the "the black experience in early America" and be done with it.

breh, these are american politicians comparing current day policies to slavery in america. of course we relate it to the black experience in early america

 

[DEAD7]

breh, these are american politicians comparing current day policies to slavery in america. of course we relate it to the black experience in early america

Thats actually what they hope you do Its the attention grabber.
If pressed I bet they deny the relation, and present something closer to my stance. Its all about bending as shyt as far as you can

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Conservatives always tell us to get over it. 'It was 300 years ago.' It's always further and further away. You have people alive today whose grandparents were slaves. They cling to a document written in 1776 like crazy, but shyt that happened until 1865 is irrelevant.
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no one on this planet has grandparents that were alive in 1865, not even old ass 90 year olds. cut it out.

you know whats worse than pushing th date further away? making it seem closer.

I am 100% certain no one here have relatives that were alive during that time, or have heard personal stories of those times. In fact most peoples introduction to slavery came through school books written by whites.

People that cling onto slavery, do so to make up for their daily failures.

 

[Handsback]

no one on this planet has grandparents that were alive in 1865, not even old ass 90 year olds. cut it out.

you know whats worse than pushing th date further away? making it seem closer.

I am 100% certain no one here have relatives that were alive during that time, or have heard personal stories of those times. In fact most peoples introduction to slavery came through school books written by whites.

People that cling onto slavery, do so to make up for their daily failures.

Dude it's not as far fetched as it might seem. I remember something like one of the early Presidents has a grandchild still alive.

This is just one story from the first page of a google search. You can be sure there are more.

http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbro...2&week=c&msg=pU0Vs7aYz4aXY4/6IlbmmQ&user=&pw=

It is amazing to hear so many responses. Now I can say I am not the only
one. My Grandfather was born in 1860 on Colonel Haywood Hall's
plantation in Martin County, TN, and my grandmother was born in 1860 on
a plantation near Bowling Green, KY and was sold to a plantation in
Missouri. My grandparents met in Omaha where their families had fled
Klan violence and my father was their youngest, was born in 1898. He
lied about his age, saying he was one year older, to fight in World War
One and came back from the Western Front and the subsequent Red Summer
very radicalized. He joined th Communist Party and was an organizer in
the south. My mother was his 3rd wife, 33 years younger than he, and
they married in the 1950s then fled the country to Mexico because of the
McCarthy Era. I was their youngest, born in Mexico City on 1963. My
father died on my 21st birthday, when he was 87, in 1985.

Ironically, although I research slavery and the slave trade, I have
never done any of my own genealogical research. What I know of my
grandparents is from my father's stories to me, and he also published an
autobiography before he died.

Thank you, moderator, for allowing this personal thread, and thanks to
everyone who responded.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Dude it's not as far fetched as it might seem. I remember something like one of the early Presidents has a grandchild still alive.

This is just one story from the first page of a google search. You can be sure there are more.

http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbro...2&week=c&msg=pU0Vs7aYz4aXY4/6IlbmmQ&user=&pw=

It is amazing to hear so many responses. Now I can say I am not the only
one. My Grandfather was born in 1860 on Colonel Haywood Hall's
plantation in Martin County, TN, and my grandmother was born in 1860 on
a plantation near Bowling Green, KY and was sold to a plantation in
Missouri. My grandparents met in Omaha where their families had fled
Klan violence and my father was their youngest, was born in 1898. He
lied about his age, saying he was one year older, to fight in World War
One and came back from the Western Front and the subsequent Red Summer
very radicalized. He joined th Communist Party and was an organizer in
the south. My mother was his 3rd wife, 33 years younger than he, and
they married in the 1950s then fled the country to Mexico because of the
McCarthy Era. I was their youngest, born in Mexico City on 1963. My
father died on my 21st birthday, when he was 87, in 1985.

Ironically, although I research slavery and the slave trade, I have
never done any of my own genealogical research. What I know of my
grandparents is from my father's stories to me, and he also published an
autobiography before he died.

Thank you, moderator, for allowing this personal thread, and thanks to
everyone who responded.

man you're picking a 1%
How many people here have heard their grandparents share slavery stories from their grandparents?

people died hella fast back in the days, they didn't have penicillin and anti-biotics back then playa. we didn't start living longer until after the 30s.

 

[Handsback]

no one on this planet has grandparents that were alive in 1865, not even old ass 90 year olds. cut it out.

man you're picking a 1%
How many people here have heard their grandparents share slavery stories from their grandparents?

people died hella fast back in the days, they didn't have penicillin and anti-biotics back then playa. we didn't start living longer until after the 30s.

You said that NO ONE ON THE PLANET had grandparents alive during the 1860's. I found just found one example of many and this man is only 49 or 50. Common? No. Unheard of? Absolutely not. Just think of that: a 50 year old man has grandparents that were slaves. We aren't that far removed from that time period.

Yeah, the average lifespan is longer now. A lot of that has to do with infant mortality rates. Ben Franklin died at like 85. What's that have to do with anything?

 

[Tommy Knocks]

You said that NO ONE ON THE PLANET had grandparents alive during the 1860's. I found just found one example of many and this man is only 49 or 50. Common? No. Unheard of? Absolutely not. Just think of that: a 50 year old man has grandparents that were slaves. We aren't that far removed from that time period.

Yeah, the average lifespan is longer now. A lot of that has to do with infant mortality rates. Ben Franklin died at like 85. What's that have to do with anything?

Ok after reading that email I noticed something.

how did they get sold to a plantation in KY, and then he met his wife in Nebraska if he were a slave? also, I see the plantation in TN, but I dont see signs of plantations during that time (post 1860s) in KY. In fact KY were trading slaves to the south, not the other way around.

It sounds like his grandpa was born on a plantation but didn't actually live a slave life. which was my point.

 

[Malik]

man you're picking a 1%
How many people here have heard their grandparents share slavery stories from their grandparents?

people died hella fast back in the days, they didn't have penicillin and anti-biotics back then playa. we didn't start living longer until after the 30s.

I'm guessing you're talking to me. I never heard any stories from my grandparents because I never to cared to ask.



You said I'm trying to make slavery seem closer than it really was. I'm giving perspective. Your grandparents' grandparents should have been alive by the 1890s, some as early as the 1870s. Either were fukked up periods. To me, it's words in a book. But to my grandparents, they remember the things their older relatives told them about those days.


That's like YOU having a grandson, then that grandson eventually having his own grandkids. It's the year 2127 and they read about Sean Bell, Renisha McBride, Trayvon Martin and Oscar Grant in high school like 'what kinda sh*t was people on back then. why was race such a big deal in 2013?'. To those kids, it's just words in a book. But to the grandfather, he remembers you, his grandfather, who lived back then.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

I'm guessing you're talking to me. I never heard any stories from my grandparents because I never to cared to ask.



You said I'm trying to make slavery seem closer than it really was. I'm giving perspective. Your grandparents' grandparents should have been alive by the 1890s, some as early as the 1870s. Either were fukked up periods. To me, it's words in a book. To my grandparents, they remembered the things their older relatives told them about those days.



That's like YOU having a grandson, then that grandson eventually having his own grandkids. It's the year 2127 and they read about Sean Bell, Renisha McBride, Trayvon Martin and Oscar Grant in high school like 'people made a big deal about race in those days'. To those kids, it's just words in a book. But to the grandfather, he remembers you, his grandfather, who lived back then.

no I wasnt talking to you. unless this is your other alias?

I tried to get some stories from my grandparents about the mother land but it just ended in rambling that I couldnt really understand, you know, typical old folks speeches. So with that said I assume your grand parents are DEF not sharing what their grandparents mumbled to them when they were young, nor can they probably even remember....at the age that their at lol.

 

[Blackking]

So having to pay taxes and obey the speed limit means I'm a slave?


How could I have been so blind? I feel Kunta Kinte's pain, brehs!

When you think about blacks building the nation....and all the slave labor the largest coprs in America benefited from. And all the fukkkery up until the 80's.

Does it make sense for you to have to pay taxes?

 

[Blackking]

Ok after reading that email I noticed something.

how did they get sold to a plantation in KY, and then he met his wife in Nebraska if he were a slave? also, I see the plantation in TN, but I dont see signs of plantations during that time (post 1860s) in KY. In fact KY were trading slaves to the south, not the other way around.

It sounds like his grandpa was born on a plantation but didn't actually live a slave life. which was my point.

lol, you think those freed slaves and people during jim crow had it easy. There is oppression so strong that it can be only 1 step away from slavery. NTM if you aren't free to walk down the street w/o risking danger for your entire people because of their skin... then that's close enough