Elon Musk says robots will push us to a universal basic income
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My idea of UBI probably different from yours.
I wonder how leftist feel about UBI in conjunction with their lax immigration stance?
Privatisation pushing industrialists like Musk will always be the ones to advocate for shyt like universal basic income because it takes the burden of paying out real livable wages completely off of them. Mark my words this is just going to lead into a trucking system on a scale we've never seen before if we let these private interests dictate the direction UBI goes. Have your income be comprised completely of scrip brehs
afterlife2009
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I wonder how leftist feel about UBI in conjunction with their lax immigration stance?
Are you suggesting UBI implementation would not include fraud prevention?
I'm thinking specifically about anchor babies...
But it probably wouldnt be a big enough deal to worry about.
Since there's no work or UBI for illegals they'd probably just send money back home once they reached whatever qualifying age they'd receive UBI.I'm thinking specifically about anchor babies...
But it probably wouldnt be a big enough deal to worry about.
I would be more intrigued in how UBI would affect foster, adoption, and child support.
GnauzBookOfRhymes
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That's a given. One of the justifications will be the idea of preventing unnecessary workplace injuries.
I don't think Republicans will let it happen. It's a long way off if ever.Its way too early to be seriously considering UBI, but it is coming
such a long way off no one on this board will live to see these things
Anybody who thinks this is a positive thing is out of their mind. instead of having a job and working for yours, all of the production will be owned by a few wealthy elites who use robots to make everything while everyone else gets a glorified form of welfare? No thanks. Universal basic income can be shut off if you 'get out of line'.
In reality, it's not going to be like that. These rich folks aren't going to let their fleshly slaves ride off into the sunset and enjoy a life where they don't have to work. In reality it's more like you stay in line and you get your subsistence check from the government while businessmen at the top who own the robots are unfathomably wealthy, which they already are. The only upper middle class will be those who create and maintain these robots. Universal Basic Income is glorified welfare. Someone has to distribute that UBI, and it will be the government. Once they control your means of sustenance, they essentially control you.
All of these wealthy guys all of a sudden want to give money away in the form of UBI? That's utterly laughable. If they are so adamant on their desire to give away money, why not give the actual people working at your company a significantly higher wage... one that not only matches inflation, but significantly outpaces it? Why not pay the government the money you owe them in taxes instead of trying to find loopholes to avoid paying taxes? If anyone believes that the richest and greediest men on the planet want to all of a sudden come out and hand everyone bags of money, then you are easily deceived. People believed the same lie when we were told how awesome globalization would be for us and they just had to get rid of those dirty, lowly manufacturing jobs that paid a living wage and had benefits. In return, we would get superior knowledge and service jobs like getting paid $10 working at a retail store with no benefits.
Insensitive
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I think simple jobs will be automated and it'll lead to a populace that needs to be more educated and pushed to do more difficult jobs.
A lot of futurists operate under the idea that robotics and more specifically the jobs they're taking require a more learned individual but writing a computer program that takes your money, gives correct change and sends your order to the fry cook is way easier than assessing the errors in a handmade job order and deciding whether or not it's feasible to ship the product with it.
Not to state to much about myself but I'm entering an industry where there is already automation but the technicians are moving into taking care of the robots themselves and performing QA on their work while the really complex tasks are left for humans to do.
I think this will be the case for the foreseeable future.
A lot of futurists operate under the idea that robotics and more specifically the jobs they're taking require a more learned individual but writing a computer program that takes your money, gives correct change and sends your order to the fry cook is way easier than assessing the errors in a handmade job order and deciding whether or not it's feasible to ship the product with it.
Not to state to much about myself but I'm entering an industry where there is already automation but the technicians are moving into taking care of the robots themselves and performing QA on their work while the really complex tasks are left for humans to do.
I think this will be the case for the foreseeable future.
