Egyptian confirms Egypt is majority black, don't let these cacs get you fooled

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what you reading fam?

i need to get educated

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I'm in the final semester of a history major. But that's not how I know about most things. I just have an intellectual curiosity. I learn about things just for the sake of it, because accumulating knowledge is just my fundamental drive in life. Some men are driven by accumulating money or power or women or whatever else; I'm driven by learning. :takedat:

A quick overview of Egyptian history, with the disclaimer that I'm barely interested in ancient Egypt and wouldn't consider myself an expert:

Around 1200-900 BCE the eastern Mediterranean world was thrown into a crisis of huge proportions. This period is referred to by historians as the Late Bronze Age Collapse. Egypt was severely affected by this crisis and I believe this is where it became permanently weakened as a military force, never to recover from this crisis.

I don't know what happened for the 400 years after the subsiding of the crisis, but I'm just going to assume that Egypt was finished as a great power - like I said, I neither know nor care enough about Egyptian history to fact check in depth. Anyway, in 525BCE Egypt is defeated and a foreign power takes over the Pharoahship: the Achaemenids from Persia, the greatest empire the world had ever seen at the time. Egypt didn't stand a chance. It effectively became a province of the Achaemenid empire.

The Achaemenids as I said were by far the most advanced civilization in the world at this time. That meant they had the power to transform Egypt. They did so by building a canal at Suez - a forerunner to the modern day Suez Canal - providing a sea link between the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea. Ships could pass through the canal, cross the Red Sea, enter the Indian Ocean and reach Persia by going around the Arabian peninsula. This was a much more efficient route for transporting people, goods, and resources than marching overland across the inhospitable Arabian deserts. The canal had two main consequences. One, it made Egypt fabulously wealthy as it was now the middleman between India and Europe, controlling that extremely lucrative trade route. Traders from India would sell their products at Axum in Ethiopia, then they would be sent up the Red Sea to Egypt, and from there, onwards into the Mediterranean world. Likewise, trade going towards India from the Mediterranean world had to pass through Egypt.

The second consequence was a brain drain to Persia. The Achaemenids hired the best Egyptian people - architects, engineers, sculptors, artists, carpenters, masons, and other such skilled labourers - to work on public works projects elsewhere in the empire. Obviously this was quite harmful to Egypt and contributed to the weakening of the culture. A weak military and weak culture combined with an extremely rich economy and a very important strategic position is a very tempting prize for any imperial power. So it was with Egypt.

After a couple of hundred years of Achaemenid rule, during which Egypt steadily became weaker and weaker - the rot that set in during the Late Bronze Age Collapse couldn't be stopped - Alexander showed up and crushed the buildings; in 332BCE, Egypt changed hands from the Achaemenids to the Macedons. This was the first time white people ruled Egypt, and the country had already been a shadow of itself for 900 years before they showed up. Alexander died in 323BCE without leaving a successor, which threw his entire empire into chaos. Everybody wanted a piece. After 20 years of civil war, finally, a guy called Ptolemy took control of the Egyptian province of the former empire of Alexander. Ptolemy was one of Alexander's most trusted and valued generals and friends. He was one of seven men who were personal bodyguards to Alexander. So he definitely had the stripes to roll into Egypt and win the civil war over there.

The subsequent Ptolemaic dynasty ruled until 30BCE when the Romans absorbed Egypt. During this time Egyptian culture was further destroyed and replaced with Hellenistic culture. Although they managed some fantastic achievements like building the lighthouse at Alexandria and the great library at Alexandria, they obviously had nothing to do with what Egypt is really famous for. They had nothing to do with the powerful Egypt which had an empire of its own, which built the pyramids. shyt, cac Egypt is so boring that in mass media and popular culture, when you look at a movie like The Mummy or play a game like Rome Total War, you get huge historical inaccuracy and anachronisms - light skinned, Greek looking Egyptians practicing the ancient Egyptian culture from before 1200BCE; are shown as coexisting with Roman legions and Alexander's conquests. Egypt stopped being great nearly a thousand years before white people came to rule it. They cannot lay claim to its ancient accomplishments.
 

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I'm in the final semester of a history major. But that's not how I know about most things. I just have an intellectual curiosity. I learn about things just for the sake of it, because accumulating knowledge is just my fundamental drive in life. Some men are driven by accumulating money or power or women or whatever else; I'm driven by learning. :takedat:

A quick overview of Egyptian history, with the disclaimer that I'm barely interested in ancient Egypt and wouldn't consider myself an expert:

Around 1200-900 BCE the eastern Mediterranean world was thrown into a crisis of huge proportions. This period is referred to by historians as the Late Bronze Age Collapse. Egypt was severely affected by this crisis and I believe this is where it became permanently weakened as a military force, never to recover from this crisis.

I don't know what happened for the 400 years after the subsiding of the crisis, but I'm just going to assume that Egypt was finished as a great power - like I said, I neither know nor care enough about Egyptian history to fact check in depth. Anyway, in 525BCE Egypt is defeated and a foreign power takes over the Pharoahship: the Achaemenids from Persia, the greatest empire the world had ever seen at the time. Egypt didn't stand a chance. It effectively became a province of the Achaemenid empire.

The Achaemenids as I said were by far the most advanced civilization in the world at this time. That meant they had the power to transform Egypt. They did so by building a canal at Suez - a forerunner to the modern day Suez Canal - providing a sea link between the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea. Ships could pass through the canal, cross the Red Sea, enter the Indian Ocean and reach Persia by going around the Arabian peninsula. This was a much more efficient route for transporting people, goods, and resources than marching overland across the inhospitable Arabian deserts. The canal had two main consequences. One, it made Egypt fabulously wealthy as it was now the middleman between India and Europe, controlling that extremely lucrative trade route. Traders from India would sell their products at Axum in Ethiopia, then they would be sent up the Red Sea to Egypt, and from there, onwards into the Mediterranean world. Likewise, trade going towards India from the Mediterranean world had to pass through Egypt.

The second consequence was a brain drain to Persia. The Achaemenids hired the best Egyptian people - architects, engineers, sculptors, artists, carpenters, masons, and other such skilled labourers - to work on public works projects elsewhere in the empire. Obviously this was quite harmful to Egypt and contributed to the weakening of the culture. A weak military and weak culture combined with an extremely rich economy and a very important strategic position is a very tempting prize for any imperial power. So it was with Egypt.

After a couple of hundred years of Achaemenid rule, during which Egypt steadily became weaker and weaker - the rot that set in during the Late Bronze Age Collapse couldn't be stopped - Alexander showed up and crushed the buildings; in 332BCE, Egypt changed hands from the Achaemenids to the Macedons. This was the first time white people ruled Egypt, and the country had already been a shadow of itself for 900 years before they showed up. Alexander died in 323BCE without leaving a successor, which threw his entire empire into chaos. Everybody wanted a piece. After 20 years of civil war, finally, a guy called Ptolemy took control of the Egyptian province of the former empire of Alexander. Ptolemy was one of Alexander's most trusted and valued generals and friends. He was one of seven men who were personal bodyguards to Alexander. So he definitely had the stripes to roll into Egypt and win the civil war over there.

The subsequent Ptolemaic dynasty ruled until 30BCE when the Romans absorbed Egypt. During this time Egyptian culture was further destroyed and replaced with Hellenistic culture. Although they managed some fantastic achievements like building the lighthouse at Alexandria and the great library at Alexandria, they obviously had nothing to do with what Egypt is really famous for. They had nothing to do with the powerful Egypt which had an empire of its own, which built the pyramids. shyt, cac Egypt is so boring that in mass media and popular culture, when you look at a movie like The Mummy or play a game like Rome Total War, you get huge historical inaccuracy and anachronisms - light skinned, Greek looking Egyptians practicing the ancient Egyptian culture from before 1200BCE; are shown as coexisting with Roman legions and Alexander's conquests. Egypt stopped being great nearly a thousand years before white people came to rule it. They cannot lay claim to its ancient accomplishments.
great post brother, much appreciated.:banderas:

are you familiar with when in this time period the Nubians took control of Egypt?
 

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Nope.

After the war, that pan-Arabism fell apart with the quickness.

Everybody does their own thing. Gulf's see things this way (I'm using some hyperbole.)

SA, Qatar, Kuwait- Real Muslims, real Arabs( not mixed like the levants) rich, and not westernized. Don't have to immigrate like the others. Sharia law.

Qatar is cooperating with those Shia pagans against SA's advice tho...:scusthov:

Egypt is like the New york or L.A of the Arab world. It's like the heart. A lot more cosmopolitan but it has its problems. Thinks itself more Egyptian than Arab. Need Gulf money. Not real Arabs. A little westernized.

Everything west of Egypt is Berber and on lock by France. There's a growing resurgence in Amazigh identity and culture.


Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine- They're mixed, Liberal and westernized. Or they are in Israel's backyard.

Iraq- Tried to invade Kuwait. Too cozy with Iran now. Kill it.

Sudan- There alright... :mjpls:

Yemen-You getting cozy with Iranian Shia pagans. Destroy.:demonic:

Lybia-Destroyed.:ahh: Qadafi talked too much. Not real Arabs.:heh:

Pretty good.
 

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great post brother, much appreciated.:banderas:

are you familiar with when in this time period the Nubians took control of Egypt?

I'm actually enrolled in an Ancient Egypt and Western Asia class. It's my last class before I graduate and get my Bachelor's :blessed: class starts next week, I'm so excited for it :ohlawd:

So I will get back to you on this. The class covers proper ancient, African Egypt. From about 2500BCE to 323BCE (Alexander's death). So it should be on some really useful stuff regarding the subject of this thread. I don't know what to expect but be sure I will call out any :mjpls: from the professor and any other students :deebo1:
 

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Never understood this shyt. The ancient Egyptians weren't black or white. They were brown. Their own historical documents and images clearly show distinctions between themselves, Greeks (whites), and Nubians (blacks).

Kush conquered the entirety of Egypt and created the 25th Egyptian Dynasty. Those pharaohs were clearly black. Egpyt was indeed a black kingdom during that period. But it didn't last forever and it doesn't erase what Egypt was beforehand.

The reality is that Egypt was a diverse kingdom with brown people in upper Egypt and black people in lower Egypt. That balance fluctuated.

I'm all for pushing back against white lies and revision - clearly they weren't white. But let's not erase another ethnic group's history in the process.

Technically "white people" is a modern concept that didn't even exist at the time.
 

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Never understood this shyt. The ancient Egyptians weren't black or white. They were brown. Their own historical documents and images clearly show distinctions between themselves, Greeks (whites), and Nubians (blacks).

Kush conquered the entirety of Egypt and created the 25th Egyptian Dynasty. Those pharaohs were clearly black. Egpyt was indeed a black kingdom during that period. But it didn't last forever and it doesn't erase what Egypt was beforehand.

The reality is that Egypt was a diverse kingdom with brown people in upper Egypt and black people in lower Egypt. That balance fluctuated.

I'm all for pushing back against white lies and revision - clearly they weren't white. But let's not erase another ethnic group's history in the process.

Technically "white people" is a modern concept that didn't even exist at the time.

It's important because in popular culture and media they are depicted as, if not quite white, then certainly as a LOT whiter than they actually were.

The other massive issue is the association of proper, African, ancient Egypt's achievements such as building the pyramids with the Macedonian Hellenistic (i.e. white) Egyptian kingdom of late antiquity. The Ptolemies did not build the pyramids
 

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It's important because in popular culture and media they are depicted as, if not quite white, then certainly as a LOT whiter than they actually were.

The other massive issue is the association of proper, African, ancient Egypt's achievements such as building the pyramids with the Macedonian Hellenistic (i.e. white) Egyptian kingdom of late antiquity. The Ptolemies did not build the pyramids

I agree pushing back against propaganda is important but we don't have to create fake history. Also I don't understand why we don't discuss Kush and Nubia more. These weren't small potatoes countries or people...they were dominant kingdoms that also had impressive cities and buildings. I get why white people ignore that shyt, but how come we ignore it in our obsession with Egypt?
 

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Never understood this shyt. The ancient Egyptians weren't black or white. They were brown. Their own historical documents and images clearly show distinctions between themselves, Greeks (whites), and Nubians (blacks).

Kush conquered the entirety of Egypt and created the 25th Egyptian Dynasty. Those pharaohs were clearly black. Egpyt was indeed a black kingdom during that period. But it didn't last forever and it doesn't erase what Egypt was beforehand.

The reality is that Egypt was a diverse kingdom with brown people in upper Egypt and black people in lower Egypt. That balance fluctuated.

I'm all for pushing back against white lies and revision - clearly they weren't white. But let's not erase another ethnic group's history in the process.

Technically "white people" is a modern concept that didn't even exist at the time.

By modern sense of the word, they were black breh :comeon:

All black people aren't uniform just as all cacs or Asians aren't the same. But its undeniable that they'd be categorized as black. And that's exactly what the Greeks categorized them and the Ethiopians as (melanchroes)
 
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By modern sense of the word, they were black breh :comeon:

All black people aren't uniform just as all cacs or Asians aren't the same. But its undeniable that they'd be categorized as black. And that's exactly what the Greeks categorized them and the Ethiopians as (melanchroes)
Don't even reply to him. He is talking about Lower Egypt being blacker because he thinks Lower meant South. Clearly an amateur.
 

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Egypt is in Africa. Of course we black. We all over the planet. Real talk, I even made a track about it
 

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If only someone would translate these.
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Somalis have cultural and possibly genetic relations to the Egyptians but that wouldn't make them any closer to the Egyptians than the Hausa people. Most African cultures originated from the Sahara. The group that is the most closely related to the original Egyptians are the Nubians.
 

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Somalis have cultural and possibly genetic relations to the Egyptians but that wouldn't make them any closer to the Egyptians than the Hausa people. Most African cultures originated from the Sahara. The group that is the most closely related to the original Egyptians are the Nubians.
Nubians are Cushyte just like Somali so of course and Egypt probably had different kinds of black people living there but the problem is that Nubians have slightly mixed with the Arabs and they carry 60 - 75% of the E-M215 haplogroup. The only ones that carry 100% of the E-M215 haplogroup are the Somali and the Tigre tribe in Eritrea. The only language right now that is found to be closely related to Ancient Egypt language is the Somali language. There's also speculation that the land of Punt was located in Somalia also. This is the land that Queen Hatshepsut made a trade expedition to and said it was the land of the gods.
 
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