Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's repeated requests for a lawyer were ignored

[thekingsmen]

you could see the motherfukkers guts in the autopsy photo from where his biitch a$$ brother ran him over. it was on the right side of his body, a little above his ribs, from what i remember.

That isn't injuries from a car. Noticed the police said the brother died with explosives going off on his chest.....that was a lie as well. None of the FBI reports mention that.

 

[Melt_Man]

"A society will be judged by how it treats its weakest members."

 

[newworldafro]

How can you request a lawyer if you are...unable to speak?

I supposed the same way deaf people request a laywer or any kind of help???? :ohh:

Welcome to New America.......

 

[thekingsmen]

I supposed the same way deaf people request a laywer or any kind of help???? :ohh:

Welcome to New America.......

 

[TrueEpic08]

it seems the author just doesn't understand the "public safety exception", or what the Miranda Rights represent

here's the link btw:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/29/tsarnaev-right-to-counsel-denied

Actually, he understands it just fine.

Here's the thing about this case: The "Public Safety Exception" should have nothing to do with Tsarnaev's situation when and after he was arrested, seeing as he was unarmed and needed to be hospitalized when he was captured. There was no reason why he couldn't have been Mirandized before he was questioned.

The only reason why we're discussing it is because the FBI radically expanded what a "Public Safety Exception" is, in a way that makes situations like this near certainties simply because they're "terrorist" cases.

Greenwald is absolutely within reason to critique Tsarnaev not getting his rights read to him and being blocked from getting a lawyer.

 

[daze23]

Actually, he understands it just fine.

Here's the thing about this case: The "Public Safety Exception" should have nothing to do with Tsarnaev's situation when and after he was arrested, seeing as he was unarmed and needed to be hospitalized when he was captured. There was no reason why he couldn't have been Mirandized before he was questioned.

The only reason why we're discussing it is because the FBI radically expanded what a "Public Safety Exception" is, in a way that makes situations like this near certainties simply because they're "terrorist" cases.

Greenwald is absolutely within reason to critique Tsarnaev not getting his rights read to him and being blocked from getting a lawyer.

yeah, but he concedes why the "Public Safety Exception" was needed, and why Dzhokhar wasn't 'Mirandized', but then he's confused why he wasn't given a lawyer

But that controversy was merely about whether he would be advised of his Miranda rights. Now, the Los Angeles Times, almost in passing, reports something which, if true, would be a much more serious violation of core rights than delaying Miranda warnings - namely, that prior to the magistrate's visit to his hospital room, Tsarnaev had repeatedly asked for a lawyer, but the FBI simply ignored those requests, instead allowing the interagency High Value Detainee Interrogation Group to continue to interrogate him alone:

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Delaying Miranda warnings under the "public safety exception" - including under the Obama DOJ's radically expanded version of it - is one thing. But denying him the right to a lawyer after he repeatedly requests one is another thing entirely: as fundamental a violation of crucial guaranteed rights as can be imagined.

I mean, if you don't like the idea of someone not being advised their Miranda Rights, that's fine. but he seems to want to play the middle or something. isn't a big part of the Miranda Rights advising the person of their right to an attorney? it's like he's treating Miranda Rights like some arbitrary step

 

[KillSpray]

Too bad no one cares about this dudes rights because he set a bomb off at the Boston marathon.

 

[MostReal]

"A society will be judged by how it treats its weakest members."

is dude a legit citizen though

 

[Melt_Man]

yeah, but he concedes why the "Public Safety Exception" was needed, and why Dzhokhar wasn't 'Mirandized', but then he's confused why he wasn't given a lawyer



I mean, if you don't like the idea of someone not being advised their Miranda Rights, that's fine. but he seems to want to play the middle or something. isn't a big part of the Miranda Rights advising the person of their right to an attorney? it's like he's treating Miranda Rights like some arbitrary step

I'm not clear on your criticism of Greenwald on April 20th he made perfectly clear that he was against not Mirandizing Dzhokar "When you cheer for the erosion of his rights, you're cheering for the erosion of your own."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/20/boston-marathon-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-mirnada-rights

 

[Melt_Man]

is dude a legit citizen though

Yes he is an American citizen.

 

[daze23]

I'm not clear on your criticism of Greenwald on April 20th he made perfectly clear that he was against not Mirandizing Dzhokar "When you cheer for the erosion of his rights, you're cheering for the erosion of your own."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/20/boston-marathon-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-mirnada-rights

I'm speaking on what he said in this article:

But that controversy was merely about whether he would be advised of his Miranda rights. Now, the Los Angeles Times, almost in passing, reports something which, if true, would be a much more serious violation of core rights than delaying Miranda warnings - namely, that prior to the magistrate's visit to his hospital room, Tsarnaev had repeatedly asked for a lawyer, but the FBI simply ignored those requests, instead allowing the interagency High Value Detainee Interrogation Group to continue to interrogate him alone:

...

Delaying Miranda warnings under the "public safety exception" - including under the Obama DOJ's radically expanded version of it - is one thing. But denying him the right to a lawyer after he repeatedly requests one is another thing entirely: as fundamental a violation of crucial guaranteed rights as can be imagined.

again, if he feels that way about denying people's Miranda Rights in general, that's fine. I'm saying that being denied the right to an attorney is not "another thing entirely", but rather it goes hand in hand with not being advised to one's Miranda Rights

to be clear, I'm arguing the consistency of his logic, not whether or not the "public safety exception", or denying someone Miranda Rights, is "right or wrong"

ultimately this goes back to what I asked @BarNone about what can be done with any information they get from him prior to reading his Miranda Rights

 

[Melt_Man]

I'm speaking on what he said in this article:



again, if he feels that way about denying people's Miranda Rights in general, that's fine. I'm saying that being denied the right to an attorney is not "another thing entirely", but rather it goes hand in hand with not being advised to one's Miranda Rights

to be clear, I'm arguing the consistency of his logic, not whether or not the "public safety exception", or denying someone Miranda Rights, is "right or wrong"

ultimately this goes back to what I asked @BarNone about what can be done with any information they get from him prior to reading his Miranda Rights

From my reading of it: Greenwald disagrees with the delay in mirandizing the suspect but he does understand there is some sort of murky legal framework in place to justify it (the expanded use of the public safety exemption). He goes on to say that denying the suspect a lawyer is worse because there is no legal justification for it.

 

[daze23]

From my reading of it: Greenwald disagrees with the delay in mirandizing the suspect but he does understand there is some sort of murky legal framework in place to justify it (the expanded use of the public safety exemption). He goes on to say that denying the suspect a lawyer is worse because there is no legal justification for it.

the justification is the same "murky legal framework"

what's the point of questioning a suspect, without advising them of their Miranda Rights, if they have a lawyer there that's just gonna tell them to keep their mouth shut?

 

[Melt_Man]

the justification is the same "murky legal framework"

what's the point of questioning a suspect, without advising them of their Miranda Rights, if they have a lawyer there that's just gonna tell them to keep their mouth shut?

Anyone here have a legal background?

Denying someone a Miranda warning and denying someone the right to an attorney are two very different things.

The Miranda warning is simply to inform suspects of their rights.

 

[Blackking]

They have cac demons that will represent anyone....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/2...er-joins-boston-bombing-suspect-defense-team/

Lets talk about how some of the dna found on the bomb was from a Female.