Dune 2 - (March 1, 2024)

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

Saw it tonight, sh-t was crazy entertaining

That fight felt like Snake vs Liquid

I wanna feel Zenny’s moisture farm in the desert til the end of time

 

[StraxStrax]

 

[shonuff]

so went for the second time ...in IMAX

the visual are AMAZING

the problem with this movie is the dialogue is fukking ass - i mean i tried to just listen to the exchanges and they are HORRIBLE
why?

- they dont sound like real conversations

- there are a LOT of statements that just mimic or restate stuff that you can visually see-

- the exchanges between the empreror and irulan are teh fukking WORST - and her conversation with Reverend Mother Helena are equally as bad - Christppher Walken in a nightgown he just comes off as a old bewildered man ...not a guy torn with killing a man he considered his "brother" but also his rival and danger.

there is a sequence where teh Baron ( looking all fatherly which he would never do ) is present for a birth that makes NO SENSE that he would be present for ( especially given the reason WHY that birth took place in the first place) .....he would never look at any one "lovingly" or softly or caringly ....i dunno WTF was going on in Villnueves head....

the Rabban sequences are horrible and he turns into a Star Wars villain for the New Order..........he is losing his shyt all the time......and making him craven ....fukk

lastly the exchanges between Chani and Paul - they make no sense there are things Paul SHOULD have said to her which would seem logical given what his plan is and what his relations with her is suppsed to be - this woman is the love of his life and the only thing that is grounding him as being "human" - and her being made to do the thing thats neccessary to be the desert spring loses effect since she is compelled to do it rather than naturally doing it .......Chanis actions at the gathering make no sense - the fact that Gurney is somehow counseling her makes no sense- neither why she would pay attention to him - and they 100% should have included the polygamy of the fremen Paul having to take in Jamis's wife and children as his own since he killed Jamis .....and Chani wouldnt be freaked out by his picking Irulan .....just that he picked Irulan first ( hell have him make the speech he makes but let Chani run off into the desert because the Paul she knows is gone.

this really should have been a part two that kept to Paul fighting the harkonnens and building up his legend status to end with his becomeing the Lisan Al Gaib and changing his whole demeanor .....and the maneuverings of teh Harkonnens the Empreror and the BG hidden plans in plans.....maybe even reveal or hint why the Baron is so fat and how the rev mother could hate him yet somehow decide to work with him.

this 2nd movie was rushed pacing wise.

its still a 8 out of 10 but it could have been 10/10 with people clamoring for a number 3 ...

 

[LevelUp]

 

[Grand Conde]

Finally watched it
good movie, better than part 1 imo

Could have been great if it had a stronger lead actor than Chalamet

Chamalet and Zendaya were too young for their roles.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Chamalet and Zendaya were too young for their roles.

In the book, Paul is 15 when the story starts and 20 when he takes the throne from the emperor. The fact that he's young and thus the Harkonnen underestimate him is a major plot point.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The movie shows that as well. If you don’t see that, then you are a surface level thinker.

Yeah, the movie went to lengths to make that obvious.


* All of Paul's visions of the future where he rules show tremendous death. No ambiguity.

* All of Paul's arguments as to why he shouldn't rule and initially rejects the Messiah role sound reasonable.

* They make it clear that the BG have been conniving and manipulative and that the worship of Paul is a fake religion they created.

* Lady Jessica looks evil as hell whenever she uses religious manipulation on people.

* The religious believers look like fools.

* Paul reiterates multiple times that he's fighting for revenge more than he's fighting for noble causes.

* They straight up say, "Well if we're Harkonnens, then let's be like Harkonnens", which shows they know their choices are no different than what evil Harkonnens would do.

* Like @CHICAGO said, Paul's turn to the dark side is accompanied by almost horror movie music.

* Chani is placed as a sympathetic character who strongly disagrees with Paul's choices and is betrayed due to his decision for power.


I'd argue the book is way more ambiguous on those points than the movie is. The only reason that book readers agree that the book is subverting the Messiah narrative is because Frank Herbert straight up said so publicly.

 

[mastermind]

I'd argue the book is way more ambiguous on those points than the movie is. The only reason that book readers agree that the book is subverting the Messiah narrative is because Frank Herbert straight up said so publicly.

That’s interesting. Everything about his movements in this movie and finding out and reveling in his bloodline was in some this guy is not a savior and is actually debunking the white savior trope. I know the books don’t mention race, but the movie makes it mostly about race With regards to who is in power and oppressed. I don’t know how anyone could watch that and think he was a white savior.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

That’s interesting. Everything about his movements in this movie and finding out and reveling in his bloodline was in some this guy is not a savior and is actually debunking the white savior trope. I know the books don’t mention race, but the movie makes it mostly about race With regards to who is in power and oppressed. I don’t know how anyone could watch that and think he was a white savior.

In the book, there's a lot more time where it dwells on Paul's admiration of the Fremen and he's honestly sympathetic to them and their hopes. There's a lot longer period where Paul struggles against fulfilling the prophecies, and when he finally does so he believes that he's really not been given any other choice. He still kills an enormous number of people and becomes a tyrant and many Fremen realize eventually that he needs to be stopped, but someone could easily read the book and see him as the clear hero who was only trying to do the right thing. It's pretty ambiguous, except for the fact that Frank Herbert said so clearly that he was trying to subvert the Messiah trope by turning Paul into a tyrant.

I think Denis Villeneuve took Frank Herbert's words and tried to make the movie more clearly true to them by streamlining away some of the ambiguity in the book.

 

[mastermind]

I think Denis Villeneuve took Frank Herbert's words and tried to make the movie more clearly true to them by streamlining away some of the ambiguity in the book.

100% think thats correct.

 

[Lootpack]

* Lady Jessica looks evil as hell whenever she uses religious manipulation on people.

There were times in this where the manner in which Lady Jessica walked resembled that of a snake, damn near slithering.

 

[shonuff]

In the book, there's a lot more time where it dwells on Paul's admiration of the Fremen and he's honestly sympathetic to them and their hopes. There's a lot longer period where Paul struggles against fulfilling the prophecies, and when he finally does so he believes that he's really not been given any other choice. He still kills an enormous number of people and becomes a tyrant and many Fremen realize eventually that he needs to be stopped, but someone could easily read the book and see him as the clear hero who was only trying to do the right thing. It's pretty ambiguous, except for the fact that Frank Herbert said so clearly that he was trying to subvert the Messiah trope by turning Paul into a tyrant.

I think Denis Villeneuve took Frank Herbert's words and tried to make the movie more clearly true to them by streamlining away some of the ambiguity in the book.

I think the ambiguity is necessary- lack of it it undercuts the fact that Paul struggles with what to do before he makes a decision

I think its better that the audience realizes that he has no choice rather than being told he has no choice

I think they focused too much on his revenge mission for the Harkonnen - his mission becomes much bigger than the harkonnens - he is usurping the whole.ordee of things but its not in some.story book type of way becuase if an order ( especially a corrupt and stagnant order of the empire ) is to truly be overturned a lot of bad shyt has to be done

 

[Roid Jones]

This is a great film, at no point did it the 2h 47m run time drag

Javier Bardem was hilarious, Stilgar is a true stan

I loved the introduction of Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen

Batista got herbed out

Paul's heel turn

Chani

Spoiler

but I felt the gut punch when Paul took the princess as his bride

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I loved the introduction of Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen

when the baron hit him with the offer

Feyd went

" .....Emperor...? "

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Looks like the Dune Messiah movie might double down even harder into Paul's turn to the dark side. Just saw this quote from Villeneuve:

“Dune Messiah was written in reaction to the fact that people perceived Paul Atreides as a hero. Which is not what he wanted to do. My adaptation is closer to his idea that it’s actually a warning.”