Duck Dynasty Ratings Plummet..

[The Real]

You have to be delusional to believe govt. wasnt the vehicle for racism during that era. Some circles even believe it was the govt. that had black leaders killed.

Live in a dream world where govt did no wrongs it was all the free market brehs

You'd have to be delusional to believe the government was the only or even primary vehicle for racism during that era, too.

 

[ch15x]

I thought it plummeted bc they were exposed as upper middle class people and fakery magicians..... http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024208897

...I didn't know this.

I knew to take what many of these rednecks/hillbillies claim as grains of salt (past/present/future), but...

 

[bzb]

The market handling racism on its own.

yet fox news network continues their shenanigans unabated.

 

[Higher Tech]

I've never watched that show in my life

I've never seen it either. I don't really understand the country's affinity with rednecks either

 

[DEAD7]

You'd have to be delusional to believe the government was the only or even primary vehicle for racism during that era, too.

Never said it was, I was responding to the insinuation that it was the free market that was responsible.

But I think its fair to say, once govt. gets a hold of the racism and institutionalizes it, and makes it a part of societies fabric. Its a completely different animal... a much more dangerous one.

 

[DEAD7]

yet fox news network continues their shenanigans unabated.

what do you think should happen to Fox News and why?

 

[The Real]

Never said it was, I was responding to the insinuation that it was the free market that was responsible.

But I think its fair to say, once govt. gets a hold of the racism and institutionalizes it, and makes it a part of societies fabric. Its a completely different animal... a much more dangerous one.

A non-racist country wouldn't have a racist government, though. It doesn't matter whether the market was "free" or not, at the end of the day- it's as much an expression of human desires and prejudices as anything else. There were many institutions that were not segregated, and yet white people continued to spend their money in a segregated manner.

 

[mrken12]

Is America really less racist than we thought?

But it's a start.

 

[bzb]

what do you think should happen to Fox News and why?

they should be allowed to be as openly racist as the law allows. i prefer to know my enemy than for them to act like my friend and then stab me in the neck.

what do you think about the code words and implied racism constantly used by fox news, their guests and the talking heads they employ?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

That was govt. and a different set of ethics at work

I've considered this talking point you constantly bring up, and its absurd. I couldn't understand it at first cause I was giving you too much credit. Btu when I considered the possibility that you may just be being retarded, it began to make sense.
You are conflating the market with the law of the land.
The biggest contribute to those early evils was the human condition, followed by competition over a finite resource and a different set of rules/standards than we have today.
Judging the ethics of the past using today's standards doesnt work the way you want it to.

This is the usual simplistic, over-generalized, empty rhetoric-packed copout answer we've come to expect from you.

I'm not sure how you can chalk up the 300 years of oppression and second class citizenship of black people in American to the "government" () and the human condition, especially considering a fundamental tenet of libertarian ideology is that human nature is essentially constant and immutable.

The plight of black Americans was a product of the "spontaneous ordering of society" libertarians like to spout. Society spontaneously decided to treat black people like shyt because they were racist and evil, from the political and business elite, down to the average moron who liked to lynch people. Only when government started to take action to curb slavery, Jim Crow, lynching, social apartheid, etc. did that begin to change.

You'll probably say that that stuff goes against the libertarian principles of non-aggression and personal freedoms, blah, blah, blah, but that means nothing, it's just axiomatic statements divorced from realities and chains of causation.

I'm not sure how you can say I'm conflating the market from the law of the land, as if the law is not a product of the marketplace of ideas. And that market decided enslave, rape, murder, torture, segregate, bomb, and legally neuter the black population. That wasn't some tyrannical oligarchy doing that AGAINST the will of the majority.

 

[DEAD7]

This is the usual simplistic, over-generalized, empty rhetoric-packed copout answer we've come to expect from you.

I'm not sure how you can chalk up the 300 years of oppression and second class citizenship of black people in American to the "government" () and the human condition, especially considering a fundamental tenet of libertarian ideology is that human nature is essentially constant and immutable.

The plight of black Americans was a product of the "spontaneous ordering of society" libertarians like to spout. Society spontaneously decided to treat black people like shyt because they were racist and evil, from the political and business elite, down to the average moron who liked to lynch people. Only when government started to take action to curb slavery, Jim Crow, lynching, social apartheid, etc. did that begin to change.

You'll probably say that that stuff goes against the libertarian principles of non-aggression and personal freedoms, blah, blah, blah, but that means nothing, it's just axiomatic statements divorced from realities and chains of causation.

I'm not sure how you can say I'm conflating the market from the law of the land, as if the law is not a product of the marketplace of ideas. And that market decided enslave, rape, murder, torture, segregate, bomb, and legally neuter the black population. That wasn't some tyrannical oligarchy doing that AGAINST the will of the majority.

"the marketplace of ideas" This is by far the most beautiful display of verbal virtuosity I have seen in 2014.
You have substituted "the white man" with "the market place of Ideas" F*ckin beautiful.
Now let me unwrap your ploy.

"I'm not sure how you can say I'm conflating the market from the law of the land, as if the law during that time was not a product of the white mans greed and twisted morality. And white men decided to enslave, rape, murder, torture, segregate, bomb, and legally neuter the black population. That wasn't some tyrannical oligarchy doing that AGAINST the will of the white population during that time. It was the white population."



I'm not chalking git up to any one thing, i'm saying it wasnt a result of the "free market" as you continue to suggest. You are taking all the evils of early american cacs and blaming the free market. shyt wouldn't be so funny if you weren't serious.

I blame it on greed and the human condition. Which does a much better job of accounting for the oppression around the world than your theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market
You may need to read up on the free market, cause i dont think it is what you think it is.

and please provide a link to anyone saying slavery in America was a result of spontaneous order

 

[AquaCityBoy]

It still got 8.5 million tho.

That's more viewers than most of the major networks get.

Also, the previous season finale got 8.4 million viewers, and that aired two months before the GQ interview.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

"the marketplace of ideas" This is by far the most beautiful display of verbal virtuosity I have seen in 2014.
You have substituted "the white man" with "the market place of Ideas" F*ckin beautiful.
Now let me unwrap your ploy.

"I'm not sure how you can say I'm conflating the market from the law of the land, as if the law during that time was not a product of the white mans greed and twisted morality. And white men decided to enslave, rape, murder, torture, segregate, bomb, and legally neuter the black population. That wasn't some tyrannical oligarchy doing that AGAINST the will of the white population during that time. It was the white population."

I'm not chalking git up to any one thing, i'm saying it wasnt a result of the "free market" as you continue to suggest. You are taking all the evils of early american cacs and blaming the free market. shyt wouldn't be so funny if you weren't serious.

I blame it on greed and the human condition. Which does a much better job of accounting for the oppression around the world than your theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market
You may need to read up on the free market, cause i dont think it is what you think it is.

and please provide a link to anyone saying slavery in America was a result of spontaneous order

lol...your mental gymnastics aren't even worth addressing anymore. Any time anything points to the shortcomings and calamitous effects of your precious free market governance--because that's exactly what it is--a form of governance, you just bullshyt your way out of it by saying "that's not the free market." Let you tell it, no free market has never existed anywhere, but in this mythological utopia in your head. But when random shyt like not as many people watching Duck Dynasty after the actor made offensive statements, that is solely a result of the free market.

@Type Username Here nailed you on the podcast when he brought up the ungoverned wild, wild west gold rush days of the 1850's when you had the highest murder rate America has ever seen, higher than any city during height of the 80's crack epidemic, and vigilante justice often employed by robber barons, and you said that wasn't a free market because and I quote "the market wasn't fully developed yet." does that even means?

 

[Type Username Here]

@Type Username Here nailed you on the podcast when he brought up the ungoverned wild, wild west gold rush days of the 1850's when you had the highest murder rate America has ever seen, higher than any city during height of the 80's crack epidemic, and vigilante justice often employed by robber barons, and you said that wasn't a free market because and I quote "the market wasn't fully developed yet." does that even means?

Believe it or not, that isn't the first time I heard a libertarian say something like that when I bring up the Gold Rush and those ungoverned territories out there. It must be in some form of book or website.

What a copout.

 

[Higher Tech]

Sorry breh. I knew better.