Dream Weavers: Detroit Pistons Thread 2022-2023

[NormanConnors]

Not bad, I like James Wiseman but we got too many big guys like Jalen Duren, etc. I wish they would send whack ass Killian Hayes away. Also, can Wiseman stays healthy?

yall still on this.

Pistons are undersized, and Stew has stone hands/can't consistently finish at the rim against longer size. Every game son ruins at least 3 - 5 perfectly placed assist from 7 Mile and Hayes as seen yesterday. Night and Day compared to the work Duren has done with the same dimes.

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*edit and the big picture, tank for Wembly

 

[manyfaces]

From James Edwards:

Bey’s value around the league wasn’t very high to begin with. Multiple league executives whose teams inquired about Bey told The Athletic in recent weeks that Detroit’s asking price for Bey was too high leading up to the deadline when factoring in his inconsistencies on offense and defensive deficiencies. None who spoke to The Athletic were willing to give up anything of significance to land Bey. Additionally, per league sources, Bey, who has one year left on his rookie deal after this season, was seeking a decent contract extension.

On the floor, Bey’s style of play was starting to wear on some in Detroit’s organization. He did have the ability to score in bunches, and did so often, but his shot selection and, at times, tunnel vision went against what the team wanted to see from him as a player. The Pistons wanted Bey to do more by doing less. Bey was interested in expanding his game. Bey’s most efficient season came his rookie year when he was primarily a catch-and-shoot weapon. Since then, when he’s dabbled in self-creation more, his efficiency has dropped significantly. Bey hasn’t had an effective-field-goal percentage greater than 50 since his rookie year.

I don't like Wiseman as I've not seen anything from him that shows me he can be an effective rotational player. But I hated the direction Bey was going and now it's at least good to hear that the front office noticed and had issue with it too. It's like that nikka was dead set on not accepting the easy offense. And it was amplified because he doesn't know how to create for others.

It sounds as if they were coaching him to stop doing that shyt? So in essence he wrote his own ticket out of there by being stubborn. I don't see how Wiseman fits, but hopefully there's more there to develop than what he's shown so far.

 

[bigrodthe1]

I don't know but to me Scoot might be a better fit than big Vic... Yeah I know what everybody saying I get it but say they get Scoot... Move cade to the three and you got a fast paced, exciting offense with rim runners and protectors in Wiseman, duren, stew Bagley etc. They COULD run damn near any squad out the gym but Casey DEFINITELY isn't the coach for that type of squad

 

[winb83]

 

[djthegreat88]

Heat about to be on Weaver next year to start winning. Wouldn’t shock me if they consolidated talent for a star. Probably means dealing Ivey though especially if they get in position to take Scoot

 

[Dem313wayz]

Weaver in good shape. The Cade injury set things back a year.

It was premature to think playoffs this year anyway

 

[manyfaces]

I don't know but to me Scoot might be a better fit than big Vic... Yeah I know what everybody saying I get it but say they get Scoot... Move cade to the three and you got a fast paced, exciting offense with rim runners and protectors in Wiseman, duren, stew Bagley etc. They COULD run damn near any squad out the gym but Casey DEFINITELY isn't the coach for that type of squad

Rim runners aren't effective if you got the whole defense packed in the paint because there aren't any dangerous outside threats. Cade gonna have to come back with a much improved 3 if they even wanna contemplate running some shyt like that, or else they gonna be the ones getting run out the gym.

 

[dh86]

So Weaver new plan is to recreate Monroe-Drummond? Saddiq was having a bad season and he’s stepped back from year 1 but I give more blame to the coaching staff if a young player skill declines like that. But this makes no sense, what rebuilding team doesn’t accumulate draft capital and holds on to 30+ year old players. I have to see a direction.

 

[dh86]

Heat about to be on Weaver next year to start winning. Wouldn’t shock me if they consolidated talent for a star. Probably means dealing Ivey though especially if they get in position to take Scoot

Has to be, not trading Bog makes no sense unless a real playoff push is in store for next year. In the off season he’s just 6 months older so the value goes down from here. Bagley and Wiseman both on the books for 12 million next year so now Weaver has to trade Bagley when everyone knows he has to, and he’ll get less than Trey Lyles in return.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Weaver in good shape. The Cade injury set things back a year.

It was premature to think playoffs this year anyway

I kept trying to tell posters for a long while now that once you end up in the lottery it’s hard to get out of it as it takes a gradual process instead of a one year leap.

 

[djthegreat88]

I do understand why they kept Bogdanovic and Burke. Weaver doesn’t want a whole team full of kids. They need that vet presence. Building rosters in NBA is such a slow process. Just got to be patient. Year 3 or teardown and rebuild. And they lost the one player they couldn’t afford to lose in Cade

And glad its been confirmed that coaching staff and front office all had the same thoughts on Bey as the fans about his failed offensive development. Reality is Bey is a streaky shooter that’s statistically one of the worst defenders in NBA. Weaver had no intention of resigning him

People always overrate their own talent. We thought we were getting hauls for Drummond and Grant at one point.

We’re also seeing the downside to drafting lower floor players. Bey and Stewart were good picks in middle of first in a terrible draft class. But their most likely at their ceiling as players already. Both solid rotation players but not true part of championship core

 

[dh86]

I do understand why they kept Bogdanovic and Burke. Weaver doesn’t want a whole team full of kids. They need that vet presence. Building rosters in NBA is such a slow process. Just got to be patient. Year 3 or teardown and rebuild. And they lost the one player they couldn’t afford to lose in Cade

And glad its been confirmed that coaching staff and front office all had the same thoughts on Bey as the fans about his failed offensive development. Reality is Bey is a streaky shooter that’s statistically one of the worst defenders in NBA. Weaver had no intention of resigning him

People always overrate their own talent. We thought we were getting hauls for Drummond and Grant at one point.

We’re also seeing the downside to drafting lower floor players. Bey and Stewart were good picks in middle of first in a terrible draft class. But their most likely at their ceiling as players already. Both solid rotation players but not true part of championship core

The constant with Blake, Drummond and Grant was that they waited too long to trade all 3. Blake had that really good 75 game season for us when he was an all star, and they waited a year and a half to deal him. They wouldn’t have gotten the equivalent of Tobias Harris and a lottery pick but it would’ve been more than a buyout. They turned down Drummond trades for years and Grant clearly should have been dealt after the first year. It seems to me Weaver repeated his mistake with Grant and his predecessors. Bog and Burks are 34 and 32, they are at the age where it can all go away next season and they’re not playable. Don’t believe me? Watch what Rose and Fournier is doing with the knicks currently. Look at all the guys last 3 years Lakers thought would be solid vets ended up playing their final year. We are 14-42, get what you can for them and get replacement vets in the summer. Pistons got rid of Kennard and Bruce Brown to get Bey in the first place and didn’t even get any extra draft picks. I need to see a pattern here

 

[MercuryHayes]

Weaver has always known he has to attempt somehow to match Allen and Mobley from a size perspective atleast. Watching games vs cleveland is probably the worst experience because Stewart is 6'8 so I understand the move.

If someone wants to call wiseman trash im not going to argue that but that team still runs through Klay Curry and Draymond. Pooles offense has been a bonus but the Warriors aren’t going to change the scheme to include wiseman. Those 5-10 extra shots he could be receiving will never come at the expense of less klay, curry and i guess poole shots. Thats why the warriors Centers during their run have been Bogut, Festus Ezeli, Kevon Looney , Zaza pachilia. Wiseman doesnt fit with that team.


I wanted boji gone for draft capital, then I thought to myself how much Pistons fans love to overrate our own players. Bog is turning 34 years old and he's not getting back significant draft capital. I don't want anyone lying saying 2nd round picks would have been enough for you

 

[winb83]

Bey might be coming back cause GPII failed his physical. The trade might be blown up by Golden State.

 

[Knights89]

Isn't Golden State saving a boat of money in luxury tied to the trade? If so, they might let it stand.