Draymond Green punched Jordan Poole: He apologized and will step away from the team a few day's

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I wish I could BLOCK all the posts about "sucker punch" or fighting rules of engagement. They clogging up the thread.
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There's many more interesting points to discuss about this situation.

  1. What will the Warriors front office do now? Will they backpedal, apply gas, or stay put?
  2. Who leaked the video, and why? Just for money or to hurt Dray and the Dubs?
  3. How will Poole bounce back? Will he be able to play with Dray, or will he push for a trade? Will his confidence be the same, or irreparably damaged?
  4. Will Dray actually take full responsibility and humble himself? He's never been able to do this before, even when he's been dead wrong. What will New Media say publicly?
  5. Does this make the Warriors decision easier about who they pay max money to? They were heading into some tough decisions next year, and someone was going to be disappointed.
  6. Does the young group of future stars look at Dray different now? Will they reject his "leadership"?
  7. Will Dray be suspended for the ring ceremony game?
  8. How will the home crowd receive both Dray and Jordan? What kind of reception will they get?
...and I'm sure there's other angles.




Every shot he misses, there's gon be think pieces relating it to this incident. I really feel bad for the young boy. I hate this happened to him.
 

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I’m actually curious about what the other vets think particularly Steph, Iggy, and Klay. Has anyone beside Iggy commented? I suspect they’ll keep it in-house but it would be interesting to hear their perspective. Them along with Dray have formed this Warriors core which have been the driving force behind this dynasty.

I also want to know what was actually going on that led to the punch. This is going to make a good part in that Warriors doc that eventually comes out.

Will opposing players exploit this situation? What kind of signs will petty fans have at Warriors away games especially if Poole and Dray continue to be on the same team?

Steph was clearly NOT pleased with Draymond, based on his comments and demeanor in the press conference the other day. He usually speaks like a politician, so to call out Dray at all, by name, speaks volumes.
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Andre stood up for Jordan via tweet, then backed Dray as well via another tweet, so he's riding the political fence.
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Klay is somewhere smoking gas with Barry Bonds, completely unbothered.
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Steph was clearly NOT pleased with Draymond, based on his comments and demeanor in the press conference the other day. He usually speaks like a politician, so to call out Dray at all, by name, speaks volumes.
:francis:

Andre stood up for Jordan via tweet, then backed Dray as well via another tweet, so he's riding the political fence.
:hubie:

Klay is somewhere smoking gas with Barry Bonds, completely unbothered.
:russell:
Yeah Steph was pissed. And he’s right and shyt like that fukks up what they’re attempting to accomplish
 

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Draymond hit that nikka like he aint seen him a day in his life before that argument started.:picard: That was a "With no regard for human life!" punch

Jordan Poole gotta see the nikka that leaked that video because whoever it was aint give a fukk about his manhood or reputation.
 

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Steph was pissed at the presser yesterday and Marcus Thompson, the #1 Steph source in Warriors media, wrote a pretty scathing indictment on Green's status in the lockerroom after the video, so that should give you an idea of how he feels.
Can you post it?
 
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Can you post it?


He wasn't pissed, he addressed it in the typical manner he usually does with these sorts of matters, and kept reiterating that the Warriors have built a strong enough bond/culture (with open lines of communication) that they'll move forward and focus on what's important.

Don't listen to @aceboon's hysteria manufacturing ass.

This is the article:
I’m from the era of open gym in Sobrante Park, midnight league in Brookfield, pickup hoop at Mosswood Park, Hoop-It-Up tournaments in the Coliseum parking lot. I wasn’t very good, but I was there and know full well somebody getting their jaw rocked in basketball isn’t the most breaking of news.

Now, sticking with this street code concept, what’s supposed to happen next in the Golden State Warriors’ situation? One of a few options. The easiest solution would be for Jordan Poole to fight Draymond Green, get his retaliation for Green punching him in the face on Wednesday. The size difference makes that not fair, and to Green’s advantage. That tends to lead to the disadvantaged, like Poole, escalating the situation even further, if you know what I mean. Since he can’t get reciprocity with his hands. So another option is for Poole’s brothers, cousins, patnas — somebody — to jump Green in retribution. That or one of Poole’s big homies, anybody who is Green’s size or larger, would fight for Poole by proxy.
But that’s what makes this so egregious. Green is the big homie. He is supposed to be the protector. They love him because that’s a role he plays, and he’s reliable at it. He gets away with a lot of his behaviors because of the value he brings, especially in this area. With Green as your big bro, your back is always covered. He was supposed to fight for Poole. Not attack him.

It’s a great responsibility, the big homie. A cherished one. And Green is usually great at it. Now, he’s lost that status. He betrayed his post. It is beyond comprehension why. But whatever the reason, it was such a violation of what he means to the Warriors that you have to wonder how he can go back into that same locker room and be who they need him to be. The video changes everything.

It makes sense why the Warriors who spoke publicly on Thursday used words like trust and respect, and why they were so defensive about the idea of Poole receiving blame. And this was before they saw the video.
One of the tricky elements to the fallout of this situation is few people saw Green actually hit Poole. They know he hit him. They saw the two get separated and Poole getting off the ground. But most were focused on the scrimmage before hearing the commotion. Nothing suggested violence was about to happen, so they weren’t paying attention. And it happened so fast.

But on Friday morning, many watched the video and saw what happened for the first time, along with the rest of us. Multiple sources said their view of the situation is altered. Seeing Green walking up on Poole with obvious bad intentions. Seeing him respond to a baited shove from Poole with a ready swing. Seeing how much venom was behind the punch. That wasn’t the Draymond they knew. That was different than a chin-checking jab they presumed, the kind of measured punch you’d give your little brother.
Yes, Poole is the little brother. He is brash. He is outspoken. He is confident. And he is good. But that’s a part of what they love about him. Even if he can be irritating sometimes, or talk above his britches, that’s kind of what little bros are supposed to do — which is why the Warriors have been adamant Poole did nothing wrong. They are not happy their little bro was violated.

There is indeed a tendency for the masses to overhype these things. Teammates fighting is not even unheard of in the NBA. Ask Nikola Mirotic. And O.J. Mayo. And Steve Kerr. With that said, whatever we thought before TMZ revealed the leaked footage was understated.

In the setting of a mundane preseason NBA practice, in the context of the Warriors season, with his history of putting the team in a predicament, Green’s actions are even more appalling than we understood. What he did to Poole — more important, how he did it — is unspeakable on multiple levels. It is a blatant violation of the person we’ve come to know and to whom many give the proverbial ‘hood pass.

Green’s actions weren’t justified by any words Poole uttered or the momentum of intensity. Sources on the team keep stressing that. What Green did was an intrusion on the vibe.
Not sure how the Warriors decided to not suspend him in the first place. The video changes everything.

But this isn’t the ‘hood. The street code doesn’t apply here even if many, including Green, sprouted from such concrete. This isn’t inner-city blacktop. Green is a professional. These are the Golden State Warriors, who live in a fishbowl and with whom everything is huge news (which is exactly why the video was leaked). The culture in which this happened is drastically different from any place where what he did is acceptable. I’ve seen people get their mouth busted, get separated and the game keeps going. I’ve seen people get jumped on the court. I’ve had to run when the steel came out because it went too far. The NBA isn’t that world.


So how do they get reciprocity? Green has major work to do to win the trust of the veterans. He has to win back the respect of the young players, starting with Poole. He has to win back the fanbase. He has to do it all while every single action, gesture, expression and word will be analyzed profusely by a public looking for a sign of more friction. It’s a tall order.

Green will be on an island on this one, with everyone watching to see how he handles it. He is a master at making amends. He’s a most genuine cat to those close to him, a real one. He garners support because they’ve felt this emphatically. He knows how to find the best parts of himself when he messes up, reminding people of the brilliant and kind person they love. But they have been through stuff with him several times. This is going to take a lot more than the usual vulnerability and good behavior. Even his strongest allies can’t ride for him the way they normally do.

Green made it to this level on his aggression, his figurative bullying of opponents and his willingness to mix it up. Warriors fans could probably make a quick list of people they would love for Green to two-piece with a biscuit. For the most part, he is beloved because he wears that hat proudly.

But the person who seemingly tried to hurt Poole isn’t the Green they know, who talks and yells and shoves and fouls but always — ALWAYS — has the best intentions of his teammates at heart. He clearly has the capacity to do such a thing, but anyone who knows Green would say this was out of character.

This wasn’t flailing and kicking Steven Adams in the family jewels during the 2016 series against Oklahoma City. This wasn’t cursing out then-teammate Kevin Durant in the middle of a game at Staples Center in 2018. It wasn’t even on the level of getting suspended for Game 5 and costing the Warriors a championship in 2016. No, this was the worst Draymond Green. This is rock bottom for a career fashioned from the mud.

This was unacceptable because it was Poole. Green snuck a smaller man — one who talks a lot, for sure, but a point guard nonetheless and one who anyone can tell is more a lover than a fighter.

This was unacceptable because he’s 32 years old, a newlywed and a doting father. He should be well past behavior like this. He’s better than this. He’s definitely too smart for this. If nothing else, he just gave every team in the league a reason to not pay him what he believes he is worth. He swung away whatever leverage he had over the Warriors, who now have to worry much less about backlash if they trade him or let him walk. This isn’t the think-three-steps-ahead Draymond who just anchored a championship defense.

This was unacceptable because the ultimate winner put himself and his teammates in a no-win situation.

Green must be going through something. It’s the only thing that makes sense. He has too much at stake to lose control now, and this isn’t the heat of the playoffs where he is required to be on edge. What’s more, he has been a model teammate and leader since the team reunited — which was a bit surprising considering he didn’t get the extension he wanted. He seemed up for the task of proving his worth and defending the title despite the disappointment of not getting the contract he believes he deserves.

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Thompson: Draymond Green incident puts Steph Curry's leadership to the ultimate test

The other surprising part: When have we ever known Green to not be all about trash talk? By the accounts of people there, Poole didn’t say anything disrespectful or out of the norm. For Green to respond that way means, at best, a man who was always ready with a comeback ran out of barbs and resorted to a fist, finally bested in verbal jousting. At worst, it means he has a deep resentment for Poole, the kind not so easily worked out.

His actions may end up costing him millions of dollars, but he could lose something even greater.

Green is a legend with a statue in the Bay coming one day. He built a monumental career from relatively nothing. He went from a chubby high school kid to a Hall of Famer. It’s an incredible tale, really. This is such a disappointing chapter, especially this late in the story. Sad, even.

He never really lives down these episodes. He is still called a “nut-kicker.” He is still blamed for costing the Warriors the 2016 title, and for Durant leaving. He gets razzed for not being able to score efficiently and even for having a podcast. But all those were but annotations in his story, well-earned jokes in the game of banter he plays well. Most importantly, they were secondary to the main point: He is a champion and one of the great defensive players of all time. He went from a second-round pick to the backbone of a dynasty, which relied on his heart and fire to change a franchise, change positions as we knew them, change even the league.

After years of scrutiny, Green reminded everyone of his greatness in the finals this June, overcoming his struggles to play stellar enough to win a fourth ring. But what he did to Poole is a black eye that threatens to become a birthmark. Unfair or not, exaggerated or not, he put himself in this position.

Maybe he’s got one last incredible run in him that can save his reputation. It’s a shame to think, after all the greatness he’s accomplished, this one punch mentioned right along with his success. The video changes everything.
 
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yep. this was gross. draymond's a grown ass man, fighting 23 year olds in gym. no excuse. Here's my original post about it



and u know what's crazy? I listened to Bob Myer's press conference and his exact words were: "We don't win without draymond, and we wanna win". that makes me believe that there is nothing draymond can do outside of murder to ever get booted. Even assaulting a teammate clear as day. This is gross, and i don't see how draymond is a leader of a team when doing shyt like this. It also makes the Haynes/Klutch tweet even more disgusting
If y'all win a ring this year with the roster as presently constructed; will you truly care about this incident to this degree?
 

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https://www.tmz.com/2022/10/08/dray...e-punch-video-bytch-practice/?adid=social-twa

Jordan Poole is set for a big contract extension with the Golden State Warriors -- something he's supposedly made known around the team's facilities -- and it's the reason things boiled over with Draymond Green ... TMZ Sports has learned.

Sources who were at the practice where Green punched Poole tell us ... in the days leading up to the incident, Poole was carrying himself differently -- in a cocky manner. The alleged behavior was creating friction between him and some of his teammates, including Draymond, who has reportedly also asked for a big extension.

Fast forward to Wednesday's practice. Our sources on site say Poole called several fouls during a scrimmage, and Draymond called him a "bytch" multiple times as a result.

Things escalated when Poole allegedly said, "You know what it is, Draymond." -- seemingly bragging over the contract situation -- and Draymond got in Poole's face, allegedly saying, "No I don't know, what is it?"

Then, as played out in video obtained by TMZ Sports, you see Poole push Draymond back, and Draymond delivers the blow to his teammate's jaw.

Stephen Curry, Andre Iguodala and head coach Steve Kerr came to Poole's defense earlier this week ... denying his attitude had anything to do with the altercation.

In fact, Steph went as far as to say it was "absolute BS" ... but our sources are adamant the team is trying to save face.

As for the Warriors, the organization has remained tight-lipped after the video was posted ... and the NBA has yet to address the incident.

Poole really got that annoying lil bro vibe :mjlol: the contract situations of Dray, Poole and Wiggins are clearly causing turmoil within the team. Gon be interesting to see how it get sorted


That some spicy shyt to say to Dray about contracts lmaoooo you know what it is Dray :youngsabo:
 

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For all of those “this isn’t a big deal, it happens all the time” guys

From insider Marcus Thompson:
One of the tricky elements to the fallout of this situation is few people saw Green actually hit Poole. They know he hit him. They saw the two get separated and Poole getting off the ground. But most were focused on the scrimmage before hearing the commotion. Nothing suggested violence was about to happen, so they weren’t paying attention. And it happened so fast.

But on Friday morning, many watched the video and saw what happened for the first time, along with the rest of us. Multiple sources said their view of the situation is altered. Seeing Green walking up on Poole with obvious bad intentions. Seeing him respond to a baited shove from Poole with a ready swing. Seeing how much venom was behind the punch. That wasn’t the Draymond they knew. That was different than a chin-checking jab they presumed, the kind of measured punch you’d give your little brother.

Most of the players only saw the aftermath in real time. They were just as surprised as most people when they saw the way Draymond swung off. There’s a legitimate issue here.

This wasn’t a fight after a hard foul, it was Draymond being in his feelings after getting torched and barked on by someone about to make $120 million while he’s in the wind.
 

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Poole really got that annoying lil bro vibe :mjlol: the contract situations of Dray, Poole and Wiggins are clearly causing turmoil within the team. Gon be interesting to see how it get sorted


That some spicy shyt to say to Dray about contracts lmaoooo you know what it is Dray :youngsabo:
:heh:

Another Klutch leak, they really are running a terrible operation over there. Literally no one said Poole has been acting different except Draymond

Instead of making a humble apology, they just double down on the lie. He really is trying to get himself traded. Nice job Adam Mendelsohn :mjpls:


“You know what it is” :youngsabo: might be the quote/smiley combo of the year:dead:
 
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