Essential Dragonball Super? New series set after Majin Buu saga

[LordDeathwatch]

Or regains his sayain programming

He won't be handing out Senzu beans then, fukk around and burn up the supply like Killmonger.

 

[Kenny West]

Sasuke has straight L's all throughout Shipuuden and the entire series, dont get confused.

Killer Bee split his chest right the fukk open and washed his whole clique while writing 95 fuschnickens rap

Orochimaru let himself get absorbed by Sasuke and the only reason it happened is bc that pedo creep was on his deathbed

GOATachi had a disease that killed himself, Susanoo washed any victory chances away

Danzo was a weirdo plot device that suicided after an Asspull powerup

Deidara essentially killed himself and Kishimoto had to write in a last minute survival tactic

Raikage would have killed him twice if not for asspull powerups

Rock Lee beat his ass

Gaara beat his ass

Haku beat his ass

Naruto beat his ass

Itachi beat his ass

Only person he ever beat was Sakura - abused that girl emotinally, mentally, and physically til she broke down and had a kid by him. Then he abandoned her to wander the wilderness







Now the Prince of all Saiyans has inherited the throne of his race and wifed up the richest and smartest woman on Earth , his son split a fallen angel in two . He gets his ass beat a lot but it is what it is

You listed a lot of fights he won because of plot armor/asspulls

Which strengthens his point. Veggie, like Sauske, is comparable to the MC in strength but gets is a jobber because he gets none of that plot jutsu

 

[3rdLetter]

Moro turning into the Cave of Wonders from Aladdin still has me

 

[Doctor Doom]

Beerus: Aye, you still ain't finish this nikka yet? You tryna eat or what?.

Goku: Yeah, hold on Lord Beerus. I just wanna know if he'll change.

Jaco: My nikka, he's been in jail and hasn't repented in millions of years. He ain't changing.


Goku: Good point. But you may never know-

Whis: Okay, now I'M telling you to kill this nikka.

Goku: Why is that, Whis?

Moro:
King Kai: I AIN'T BEEN IN THIS shytTY ASS ARC, BUT I'VE BEEN WANTING YOU TO KILL THIS nikka FOR OVER 30 CHAPTERS!

King Kai would have been losing his damn mind seeing the shyt that Goku has pulled recently

 

[Ironman]

Happen to King kai and the whole damn outworld thing anyway? Tori or Toyotaro forgot about that as well huhKing Kai still dead too in other world like

 

[Hostile]

Happen to King kai and the whole damn outworld thing anyway? Tori or Toyotaro forgot about that as well huhKing Kai still dead too in other world like

Basically if Goku won't wish him back... no one will. Just more proof that Goku is a selfish P.O.S

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Basically if Goku won't wish him back... no one will. Just more proof that Goku is a selfish P.O.S

But real talk. I forgot about King Kai too until you mentioned him.

 

[Hostile]

But real talk. I forgot about King Kai too until you mentioned him.

Instead he wished back

and

The people who killed his mama, pops, wife, and children.

 

[It is a mystery]

senzu was necessary for Gohan to take the next step to SSJ2. It was really Gohan's fault for not ending Cell when Goku told him to.

Breh FUKK GOHAN
Why does goku need gohan to turn ssj2 at all? Or need him to kill cell?
Gohan is 11 years old during this saga. He has never killed anyone up to this point. Cell is threatening to blow up the whole earth along with everyone Goku knows. This is an urgent situation. Goku should be doing everything he possibly can to destroy cell, not heal him up. Gohan can always get stronger later.

 

[King P]

Breh FUKK GOHAN
Why does goku need gohan to turn ssj2 at all? Or need him to kill cell?
Gohan is 11 years old at this point in the story. He has never killed anyone up to this point. Cell is threatening to blow up the whole earth along with everyone Goku knows. This is an urgent situation. Goku should be doing everything he possibly can to press cell, not heal him up.

Because nobody else could. Goku knew that he wasn't strong enough to beat Cell. He knew only Gohan could beat Cell, but only if he unlocked his full potential. Saiyan hybrids have more latent potential than full Saiyans, so Gohan will always have the potential to grow stronger than Goku.

 

[It is a mystery]

Because nobody else could. Goku knew that he wasn't strong enough to beat Cell. He knew only Gohan could beat Cell, but only if he unlocked his full potential. Saiyan hybrids have more latent potential than full Saiyans, so Gohan will always have the potential to grow stronger than Goku.

I'll always be a gohan fan and think of ssj2 and the father-son kamehameha as the goat moments of dbz but i honestly cant see it as good planing on gokus part. If they needed a saiyan hybrid, why not plan around trunks? He has far more combat experience, is also part saiyan, has killer instinct, and isnt an 11 year old.

I just cant think of any way goku could have convinced the other z fighters his idea would be the one to go with which is why he didn't tell anyone. If he was worried cell would be worn down after fighting him, why not use the active z fighters (along with the senzu beans) to slowly wear him down instead of getting him back to full power and relying on gohan to deal with him at 100%. Did he even coach gohan on dealing with cell in the time chamber?

It just seems like goku wanted gohan to beat cell versus needing him to. This normally would be fine but there was a lot of danger associated with the situation.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

I'll always be a gohan fan and think of ssj2 and the father-son kamehameha as the goat moments of dbz but i honestly cant see it as good planing on gokus part. If they needed a saiyan hybrid, why not plan around trunks? He has far more combat experience, is also part saiyan, has killer instinct, and isnt an 11 year old.

I just cant think of any way goku could have convinced the other z fighters his idea would be the one to go with which is why he didn't tell anyone. If he was worried cell would be worn down after fighting him, why not use the active z fighters (along with the senzu beans) to slowly wear him down instead of getting him back to full power and relying on gohan to deal with him at 100%. Did he even coach gohan on dealing with cell in the time chamber?

It just seems like goku wanted gohan to beat cell versus needing him to. This normally would be fine but there was a lot of danger associated with the situation.

Goku saw Gohan's power in the time chamber and realized he was their best bet. That was why Gohan was his choice - he already had the evidence. The problem is he didn't actually tell Gohan any of this.

I never understand why people think Goku could've gone SSJ2 as well but just didn't. This is Goku we're talking about. If he could've beaten Cell, he would've. And don't bring up the Buu saga - because his circumstances were different and changed his motivation. He was dead and knew there was no coming back after that day, so it was better to pass the torch and keep Goten and Trunks ready for future threats without him.

 

[King P]

I'll always be a gohan fan and think of ssj2 and the father-son kamehameha as the goat moments of dbz but i honestly cant see it as good planing on gokus part. If they needed a saiyan hybrid, why not plan around trunks? He has far more combat experience, is also part saiyan, has killer instinct, and isnt an 11 year old.

I just cant think of any way goku could have convinced the other z fighters his idea would be the one to go with which is why he didn't tell anyone. If he was worried cell would be worn down after fighting him, why not use the active z fighters (along with the senzu beans) to slowly wear him down instead of getting him back to full power and relying on gohan to deal with him at 100%. Did he even coach gohan on dealing with cell in the time chamber?

It just seems like goku wanted gohan to beat cell versus needing him to. This normally would be fine but there was a lot of danger associated with the situation.

Trunks is from the Future. He doesn't know him like he knows his son. Goku saw his potential from when he was 4 years old and attacked Raditz. Everyone saw the potential in Gohan.

The manga doesn't talk about that, but I know he didn't coach him on Cell in the anime, but they never met in the anime or seen him fight. So you couldn't coach him on an unknown opponent.

Ultimately it had to be done the way it was, not only for the short term, but for the long term as well. Goku knows that even if they beat Cell, there's still going to be powerful opponents in the future. That's literally a reocurring theme of Dragon Ball. Goku needs Gohan to get as strong as he possibly can for the short and long term.

The way Goku went about it ultimately helped Gohan. Gohan even told Goku in training that he wanted to train. Because he wanted to be stronger and help fight, instead of just being that scared little boy that lacked self confidence. If Gohan beats a drained Cell, or if they all team up to beat Cell, that will damage Gohan further. Let's say Gohan does beat a weakened Cell. Gohan can attribute his victory to the fact that Goku did most of the damage, and he just picked up the pieces. Gohan would still be that scared little boy that lacked any confidence to beat strong opponents. Goku knew this. So he needed to do what he did to fully get out all his potential

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Trunks is from the Future. He doesn't know him like he knows his son. Goku saw his potential from when he was 4 years old and attacked Raditz. Everyone saw the potential in Gohan.

The manga doesn't talk about that, but I know he didn't coach him on Cell in the anime, but they never met in the anime or seen him fight. So you couldn't coach him on an unknown opponent.

Ultimately it had to be done the way it was, not only for the short term, but for the long term as well. Goku knows that even if they beat Cell, there's still going to be powerful opponents in the future. That's literally a reocurring theme of Dragon Ball. Goku needs Gohan to get as strong as he possibly can for the short and long term.

The way Goku went about it ultimately helped Gohan. Gohan even told Goku in training that he wanted to train. Because he wanted to be stronger and help fight, instead of just being that scared little boy that lacked self confidence. If Gohan beats a drained Cell, or if they all team up to beat Cell, that will damage Gohan further. Let's say Gohan does beat a weakened Cell. Gohan can attribute his victory to the fact that Goku did most of the damage, and he just picked up the pieces. Gohan would still be that scared little boy that lacked any confidence to beat strong opponents. Goku knew this. So he needed to do what he did to fully get out all his potential

I think it was only brought up in filler, but Piccolo asked Goku if he fought Cell first so that Gohan could watch and get a good handle of his style before his fight. Goku didn't answer, but his smirk confirmed it.

 

[Doctor Doom]

All this talking and I'm still trying to figure out the reason why you give a Senzu Bean to a legit EATER OF WORLDS that has absolutely zero remorse and has shown no positive qualities in every interaction you had with him.

Moro at his most basic level REQUIRES the energy from planets/life to sustain himself. Why would you let that live at all? What you're going to let him eat a planet every now and then?