Dr. Tommy Curry - Failure of Black Studies and Intersectionality

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Thanks for responding. I am going to respond to your comment - and then I will bow out the conversation/thread like @Poitier has requested.

This the type of statement is part of the issue Dr. Curry argues against. You said it seems like a majority of black men feel the same way and speak the same way that Mr Clark spoke about dark skin black women without any empirical data to show for it. I also see some people do the same to bw on twitter. If one bw says black men" are trash" do the majority of bw think this way? How would I truly know this? A couple tweets? These presumptions get made about bm without evidence.

I have suggested that it appears/seems via online that it's not a minority - I didn't state or imply "majority" of BM online - but there is more than a "minority." And not specifically the way Mr. Clark felt - being he was anti-dark skin BW - but some BM engage in as you labeled "anti black woman misogynist or engaging in anti black misogyny."

And you are correct, some black women - and not a minority either - also practice/engage in Anti-BM feminism.

When Dr. Curry has referenced empirical data you refer to it as "white man's data" but the data he he refers to is legit. I don't think he can succeed as a tenured university professor in academia, especially as a black man at a conservative predominately white institution using false data.

I called it "white man's data" - to showcase how his empirical data used is the same data from the system and white academia he is challenging. Data collected used to shape and theorize not only BM - but BW.

He did address it and called it the comments offensive. Also stated that all black males lives are valued even i one tweeted an offensive comment towards black women. You seem to disagree .

Addressing it - is more than calling it "offensive" -- one has to say what's offensive about it - and how it affects the unit.

And lowkey imo you have come off slighty disingenuous with some of your questions. Or maybe you just don't get it and believe the same things about black men that many white people , some feminist and black feminist have believed and expressed about black men Believing those things imo is stake holding in patriarchal white supremacy and you are lowkey being an enemy of black men.

Disingenuous and/or I believe the same things about black men? That is your opinion. You are welcome to it. As nothing, I have ever posted showcases that. If asking questions, listening to -- and sometimes challenging BM is "low-key being an enemy and stake holding WS" --- then we have nothing to gain -- nor elevate to.

I mean the researchers who are non black can even see how black males are vulnerable to racism and you cant?! There is a slew of data that shows black mens predicaments is not of their own doing or their failure to persist as you stated. Dr. Curry does not infantilize or feminize black males when he discusses the realities of black male life.

So, can you point me to where I stated BM are not vulnerable to racism or other predicaments placed on them -- and my denial of such?

Dr. Curry does not infantilize or feminize black males when he discusses the realities of black male life.

From his book wiki: He posts that we should conceptualize the Black male as a victim, oppressed by his sex.

And I stated: Not, trying to be disrespectful - but a lot of this seems like he is trying to position BM as feminine and child-like -- in the way of being more of a helpless victim - less strong, with no accountability, no choice/control of personal actions/behaviors and lesser than their women. At the same time not giving that same outlook on BW.

The men in your family may have had success but those black men are not the entire gender of black men. Also some black men from your father's generation where in the workforce around a time of fresher civl rights gains and policies like affirmative action, diversity initiatives equal employment opportunity, a different economy that didn't see the peak of globalization and immigrant labor etc. Today it's a little different. Whether black men looked upon them selves as masculine in the white male sense of the word may be irrelevant to black mens overall actual state in terms of education, labor participation, income, health etc.

I understand that and I totally agree.
I see what you're doing
"oh, so you're saying you're not man enough?" "you can't be a patriarchy because y'all too soft?"
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No. Black women are simply 1 stone to kill two birds with, society-wise.
I'm not a fool and I know games when I see them being played, especially the intellectual "concern troll" technique.
Analysis with no true factual refutation.
The vast majority of us, at 72% were born into households led by black women.
They control resources with DELEGATED authority. None of it was earned, it was by default. Unearned leadership leads to poor results.
Delegated authority goes from the white dominant male to the black female head of household, BY DEFAULT.
There is no black patriarchy outside of a few scattered examples. Not enough for a strong network. Black women also have access to most "black male" spaces. So do white men...we're the subordinate group. If we weren't, you would have a different approach.
 

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I have suggested that it appears/seems via online that it's not a minority - I didn't state or imply "majority" of BM online - but there is more than a "minority." And not specifically the way Mr. Clark felt - being he was anti-dark skin BW - but some BM engage in as you labeled "anti black woman misogynist or engaging in anti black misogyny."
What apperars to be does not necessarily equate to to what actually is true.
Your perception and conclusion about anti black misogynist online is not backed by sufficient proof.

I stated that a minority of black women (I was referring to real life specifically not social media, but the same goes for social media platforms also) engage in anti black misandry and hold those views.

A minorty is numerically less than those bw that engage in anti black misandry. I am refering to the total bw population in the US online and offline.

You do not understand the defintion of minority and I suggest you look it up because you said "some" at the same time claiming "not a minority".

For example, just because I may have witnessed online anti black male comments from female profiles does not give proof to the majority population of black women feel the same. Again that means more than half the numerical population of bw.

Not all black people are active on social media platfroms like twitter or on twitter. All though 26 % of African American adults are on Twitter in 2018.

And certain black men and women have a higher following and are more visable than others.
Also contraversial statements get noticed more liked and retweeted, plus comfirmation bias comes into play.

Black people that don't say things are anti black male and black woman tend to live there lives offline and and not comment either way.

Confirmation bias comes in to play also if one already believes that bw hate on black men or believe already black men are mysoginist than you will notice what you already believe in. Similar to a white person who believes stereotypes of black people they will ignore, disregard and not notice or perceive the non steretoypical as an exception.




That's like a white person seeing a black person on the news arrested for a crime and concluding that a numerical majority (more than half) of black people are criminals.

And I stated: Not, trying to be disrespectful - but a lot of this seems like he is trying to position BM as feminine and child-like -- in the way of being more of a helpless victim - less strong, with no accountability, no choice/control of personal actions/behaviors and lesser than their women. At the same time not giving that same outlook on BW
I disagree with your interpretation.
Black men are not being postioned as feminine. Just because black males are oppressed ,victimized by intimate parter violence and including intimate partner homicide at a rate similar to black women, it does not make them feminine. Dr. Curry also states that black males are over represented victims of child sex abuse. Also he points out black males being victims of sexual assault by white men and women during slavery.

You said less strong? Maybe if strong is represented as imperveous to sexual assault, intimate partner violence, racism economic and educational discrimiantion etc.

And I stated: Not, trying to be disrespectful - but a lot of this seems like he is trying to position BM as feminine and child-like -- in the way of being more of a helpless victim - less strong, with no accountability, no choice/control of personal actions/behaviors and lesser than their women. At the same time not giving that same outlook on BW.
Disingenuous and/or I believe the same things about black men? That is your opinion. You are welcome to it. As nothing, I have ever posted showcases that. If asking questions, listening to -- and sometimes challenging BM is "low-key being an enemy and stake holding WS" --- then we have nothing to gain -- nor elevate to.

I don't think you have done a good job of listening to and comprehending black men because you have misinterpreted black men on this site and and Dr. Curry and not listened to his many talks online.

I made it clear that if you have the same ideas of about black men that white supramicist have then you are not .ally of black men you are an enemy.

You then say that asking question and challenging black men is seen as being an enemy of black men. You just intentionally misrepresented what I said and that is wrong.

You are being dishonest and very manipulaitve in your communication, and others have commented on this.
I woukd rather you be direct about your current stances and opinions and honest about the things you would need clarification .

I think this type communication you have with black men is indicitive of how you view the black men on this site, as men who need and can be manipulated and not communicated with in a direct and genuine manner. I have seen you respond and speak to black men on this site in passive agressive and disingenuous ways.
I don't mind you disagreeing but don't be condescending.

It is literally exhausting explaining that black men are men, and have been affected by white supremacy and white supremacist view points. It's even further fustrating explaining this to a black woman!
 

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Finally read the book.
Aside from the last chapter being very repetitive and largely geared stictly at academia. I loved it.
I hope he makes another book aimed at educationg black america and moving away from just talking to his fellow academics.
 
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