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I see what you're doingThanks for responding. I am going to respond to your comment - and then I will bow out the conversation/thread like @Poitier has requested.
This the type of statement is part of the issue Dr. Curry argues against. You said it seems like a majority of black men feel the same way and speak the same way that Mr Clark spoke about dark skin black women without any empirical data to show for it. I also see some people do the same to bw on twitter. If one bw says black men" are trash" do the majority of bw think this way? How would I truly know this? A couple tweets? These presumptions get made about bm without evidence.
I have suggested that it appears/seems via online that it's not a minority - I didn't state or imply "majority" of BM online - but there is more than a "minority." And not specifically the way Mr. Clark felt - being he was anti-dark skin BW - but some BM engage in as you labeled "anti black woman misogynist or engaging in anti black misogyny."
And you are correct, some black women - and not a minority either - also practice/engage in Anti-BM feminism.
When Dr. Curry has referenced empirical data you refer to it as "white man's data" but the data he he refers to is legit. I don't think he can succeed as a tenured university professor in academia, especially as a black man at a conservative predominately white institution using false data.
I called it "white man's data" - to showcase how his empirical data used is the same data from the system and white academia he is challenging. Data collected used to shape and theorize not only BM - but BW.
He did address it and called it the comments offensive. Also stated that all black males lives are valued even i one tweeted an offensive comment towards black women. You seem to disagree .
Addressing it - is more than calling it "offensive" -- one has to say what's offensive about it - and how it affects the unit.
And lowkey imo you have come off slighty disingenuous with some of your questions. Or maybe you just don't get it and believe the same things about black men that many white people , some feminist and black feminist have believed and expressed about black men Believing those things imo is stake holding in patriarchal white supremacy and you are lowkey being an enemy of black men.
Disingenuous and/or I believe the same things about black men? That is your opinion. You are welcome to it. As nothing, I have ever posted showcases that. If asking questions, listening to -- and sometimes challenging BM is "low-key being an enemy and stake holding WS" --- then we have nothing to gain -- nor elevate to.
I mean the researchers who are non black can even see how black males are vulnerable to racism and you cant?! There is a slew of data that shows black mens predicaments is not of their own doing or their failure to persist as you stated. Dr. Curry does not infantilize or feminize black males when he discusses the realities of black male life.
So, can you point me to where I stated BM are not vulnerable to racism or other predicaments placed on them -- and my denial of such?
Dr. Curry does not infantilize or feminize black males when he discusses the realities of black male life.
From his book wiki: He posts that we should conceptualize the Black male as a victim, oppressed by his sex.
And I stated: Not, trying to be disrespectful - but a lot of this seems like he is trying to position BM as feminine and child-like -- in the way of being more of a helpless victim - less strong, with no accountability, no choice/control of personal actions/behaviors and lesser than their women. At the same time not giving that same outlook on BW.
The men in your family may have had success but those black men are not the entire gender of black men. Also some black men from your father's generation where in the workforce around a time of fresher civl rights gains and policies like affirmative action, diversity initiatives equal employment opportunity, a different economy that didn't see the peak of globalization and immigrant labor etc. Today it's a little different. Whether black men looked upon them selves as masculine in the white male sense of the word may be irrelevant to black mens overall actual state in terms of education, labor participation, income, health etc.
I understand that and I totally agree.
"oh, so you're saying you're not man enough?" "you can't be a patriarchy because y'all too soft?"
No. Black women are simply 1 stone to kill two birds with, society-wise.
I'm not a fool and I know games when I see them being played, especially the intellectual "concern troll" technique.
Analysis with no true factual refutation.
The vast majority of us, at 72% were born into households led by black women.
They control resources with DELEGATED authority. None of it was earned, it was by default. Unearned leadership leads to poor results.
Delegated authority goes from the white dominant male to the black female head of household, BY DEFAULT.
There is no black patriarchy outside of a few scattered examples. Not enough for a strong network. Black women also have access to most "black male" spaces. So do white men...we're the subordinate group. If we weren't, you would have a different approach.