Completely bodied intersectional feminist and the idea of "black male privilege"
Yvette is a dyke yet has less hate in her heart for Black men than Black feminist
Dr. Tommy Curry - Failure of Black Studies and Intersectionality
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Completely bodied intersectional feminist and the idea of "black male privilege"
Yvette is a dyke yet has less hate in her heart for Black men than Black feminist
They're in the comment section working overtime, one comment described Yvette as Black Male identified.Completely bodied intersectional feminist and the idea of "black male privilege"
Yvette is a dyke yet has less hate in her heart for Black men than Black feminist
Scott Larock
Its hard leaving thecoli but I gotta find a way...
Yeah they went from pro black to get off your ass real quick lol.
Bedwenxhes came in there heavy, c00ns came in their heavy as well. I think most of us don't fukking care, we just wanna live good.
AlainLocke
Banned
This fukking comment from a Black man from the Yvette Carnel video about Black Patriarchy
"It is true that black men do not have militaristic, political or economic power over black women. However, those are not the only forms of power. I mean, we very often see black women with more education and more money still talking about being "submissive". Blak women still have their hair, mating choices, career choices, sexual practices etc policed by black males. Black women are more likely to be sexually assaulted or victims of IPV than any other group of women. Not to mention the fact that black women fill church pews where sexist rhetoric is spewed from the pullpit and trash like Steve Harvey continues to make millions off of policing black women. Not to mention the very practical everyday ways in which black women carry the black community on their backs. Black feminist thought--dating back to Zora Neale Hurston--has always defined the unique experiences of black women as different than those of white women. Its never been about wealth."
This is what I call, "internalized patriarchal guilt"...
You think you have power, simply because you are a man....
This shyt...
If you don't have military, political or economic power...then what other power is there...
"It is true that black men do not have militaristic, political or economic power over black women. However, those are not the only forms of power. I mean, we very often see black women with more education and more money still talking about being "submissive". Blak women still have their hair, mating choices, career choices, sexual practices etc policed by black males. Black women are more likely to be sexually assaulted or victims of IPV than any other group of women. Not to mention the fact that black women fill church pews where sexist rhetoric is spewed from the pullpit and trash like Steve Harvey continues to make millions off of policing black women. Not to mention the very practical everyday ways in which black women carry the black community on their backs. Black feminist thought--dating back to Zora Neale Hurston--has always defined the unique experiences of black women as different than those of white women. Its never been about wealth."
This is what I call, "internalized patriarchal guilt"...
You think you have power, simply because you are a man....
This shyt...
If you don't have military, political or economic power...then what other power is there...
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Indiglow Meta (R$G)
Ultra.
What's up with the trend of "intellectual" nikkas playing sycophant to bytches? Weak.This fukking comment from a Black man.
"It is true that black men do not have militaristic, political or economic power over black women. However, those are not the only forms of power. I mean, we very often see black women with more education and more money still talking about being "submissive". Blak women still have their hair, mating choices, career choices, sexual practices etc policed by black males. Black women are more likely to be sexually assaulted or victims of IPV than any other group of women. Not to mention the fact that black women fill church pews where sexist rhetoric is spewed from the pullpit and trash like Steve Harvey continues to make millions off of policing black women. Not to mention the very practical everyday ways in which black women carry the black community on their backs. Black feminist thought--dating back to Zora Neale Hurston--has always defined the unique experiences of black women as different than those of white women. Its never been about wealth."
This is what I call, internalized patriarchal guilt...
You think you have power, simply because you are a man....
This shyt...
If you don't have military, political or economic power...then what other power is there...
AlainLocke
Banned
I don't fukking know, some dudes just wanna go against their own best interests for the sake of being "fair" or whatever.
You be blue in the face and be on some...
"There's 33 percent of Black people in jail, majority men and we need to find a solution to that."
And some motherfukker grown as Black man gonna start Juelzing about "Black women issues..."
"What about street harassment and sexual assault..."
"We ain't talking about that..."
"I understand brother but when we gonna look after our sisters and lift them up. We can't leave them out."
"580,000 of Black men as of 2016 are institutionalized, that's what I wanna talk about not street harassment. I wanna talk about Black male slaves in the 21st century."
"But what about our Black women that suffer in silence?"
"What the fukk are talking about? Who is suffering in silence?"
"I am talking about our sisters and mothers and aunts and nieces that have to deal with the patriarchal attitudes of Black men in the Black community.....blah blah blah misogynoir blah blah blah sexism blah blah blah rape..."
This is how every conversation with these male Black feminists go...
They really think men are just supposed to suffer and anybody that disagrees with that must be a misogynistic woman hater.
xoxodede
Superstar
Completely bodied intersectional feminist and the idea of "black male privilege"
Yvette is a dyke yet has less hate in her heart for Black men than Black feminist
This about to be long. I was debating on whether to replay - cause I know as woman coming into this convo - it can lead to being disrespected - but I hope this can be positive and respectful.
So....
I like Yvette - but I couldn't rock with that video/topic. It's damaging, dismissive and unprogressive. This will not help move us forward. She kept saying BW examples were "racism." Anyone who listens to C.O.W.S. and understands/knows the definition of WS/racism - knows that doesn't equate.
Patriarchy is not just about power in economics, political leadership, etc --- it’s the natural structure of family, moral authority, social and gender privilege and it's roles.
Black men can be patriarchal and it exist without "Power." And..."Power" is relative.
I grew up in one (Black Male Patriarch Household) and my family is still ran by Black males on both sides. Plus, the male offsprings are continuing the legacy. It is also patrilineal, meaning that property and title are inherited by the male lineage. Is it BAD? NO. It doesn't have to be.
It's not just political power. Black male patriarchy is historical in our community - but we dismiss it or get told it doesn't exist. When it does. We can not continue to blame BW and this supposed Black "Matriarchal" system for the ills of the Black community.
There are spaces in the Black Community where black men dominate the dialogue, conversations, issues and are advantaged over Black women.
There is Black male privilege and gender based oppression in our community. It's not to be compared with white privilege -- it's relative to Black women. I don't know why it's so hard to admit this.
@CharlieManson - you know I love you - but even your comment is a prime example.
And some motherfukker grown as Black man gonna start Juelzing about "Black women issues...
It's about dismissing, ignoring and putting Black men first at all times in our communities and conversations. It's always been like that - and if BW try to change the dialogue - people start bytching.
My thing is it BOTH Black men and Black women - so why can't we figure out a way to help and talk about both.
It's Black women and girl teens in jail too. They are not being talked about either - bring them in to the conversations. Why center it only on BM - that's is the definition/example of Black Male Patriarchy and Privilege - which is "centering your oppression to the exclusion of others."
There is "misogynoir" - I am not even a "feminist and I know that ish.
Though misogynoir can be perpetrated by anyone, the term most often refers to the violence, mistreatment, and erasure experienced by black women at the hands of black men.
The comments on "Black Single mother's choosing better," being masculine, sexual politics like "body counts" over X amount makes you a ho, if a man cheats it's cool, if a woman cheats - it's over, Black women "running" to their "White Daddies" cause she is stuck being a single mom - and and needs help, berating BW about "weave" or weight - when and if any-of that is turned to BM - it's dismissed -- just other stupid comments thrown and constantly repeated about Black women -- it's real.
So, yes Black men can exercise patriarchy - even in the system of White Supremacy. Yes, Black men can be sexist.
Coming together and acknowledging this - is the answer.
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Indiglow Meta (R$G)
Ultra.
The irony in calling a woman criticizing other women dismissive because a concept doesn't match reality. Data shows the opposite of belief, and emotional tirades ensue.
xoxodede
Superstar
Your choice.
But, that was my issue with her argument. "Black Male Patriarchy" is not just about economics - and "data" - it's not even the definition of Patriarchy.
I'm also having an issue with all these "data" claims - I find it hilarious - that we as Black people are asking for "data" when we know - historically that "data" is not recorded or correctly represents us.
But, I digress...
The way people are defining Patriarchy -- is limited. Even in a WS society - Black males have a subset of Patriarchy in their communities. Just like other subsets "minorities" in America and beyond.
social organization marked by the supremacy of the father in the clan or family, the legal dependence of wives and children, and the reckoning of descent and inheritance in the male line; broadly : control by men of a disproportionately large share of power.
Patriarchy literally means "the rule of the father"[3][4] and comes from the Greek πατριάρχης (patriarkhēs), "father of a race" or "chief of a race, patriarch",[5][6] which is a compound of πατριά (patria), "lineage, descent"[7] (from πατήρ patēr, "father") and ἄρχω (arkhō), "I rule".[8]
The systematic domination of women by men in some or all of society’s spheres and institutions
Patriarchy literally means "the rule of the father"[3][4] and comes from the Greek πατριάρχης (patriarkhēs), "father of a race" or "chief of a race, patriarch",[5][6] which is a compound of πατριά (patria), "lineage, descent"[7] (from πατήρ patēr, "father") and ἄρχω (arkhō), "I rule".[8]
The systematic domination of women by men in some or all of society’s spheres and institutions
xoxodede
Superstar
No it's dismissive, cause she is acting like it doesn't exist or it doesn't fit a part of a definition.
What data can be shown for ignoring, dismissing or putting a lack of dialogue/convo on the plights, issues and conversations surrounding BW and girls in our communities.
Black women have the majority of real estate in the Black community in academia, social media and entertainment to signal boost their issues 
For every Dr. Curry there are 1000 Bell Hooks For every Tariq there are 10000 Feminista Jonez and Jamila Lamieuxs For every Nate Parker there are 1000 Ave Duvernays and Issa Raes
For every Dr. Curry there are 1000 Bell Hooks
For every Tariq there are 10000 Feminista Jonez and Jamila Lamieuxs For every Nate Parker there are 1000 Ave Duvernays and Issa Raes
xoxodede
Superstar
Black women have the majority of real estate in the Black community in academia, social media and entertainment to signal boost their issues
For every Dr. Curry there are 1000 Bell Hooks
I want to have a real convo. So, please let's do that.
On your points on Black men versus Black women who hold media real estate in academia, social media, ent in the Black community. It's true.
But, that same media and academia makes sure that Black male oppression and issues are represented. They also often employ, highlight and put on Black men. We can say now over the last 5 years -- it's been some outlets and media personalities that have put the BW front and center - but they are labeled as "feminist" - when doing so - right?
But, you are mentioning "writers" who are paid to write - and in this age have become mouth-pieces - so let's rule out Feminitza Jones and Jamilah. Cause realistically - that ONE Tariq is financially and business wise --- killing them both - as well as any others like them. As they are still writers working for white/black pubs aka other people - and Tariq was able to come in with what he had and triple it - and remain self-employed --with the support of both BM and BW.
On bell Hooks - sure - it's a few copy cats - but none that really are respected and widely known. Not on Ms. hooks level. Dr. Curry, no comment - cause I am not informed - and from what I have read from him.
And the point is not entertainment, media, economics, etc -- it's about in the community, households, culture, relationship and gender/familial roles.
AlainLocke
Banned
The issue is that we as Black males are talking about being viable human beings.
Black men are not viable human beings.
You can't say Black men are patriarchs and then have half a million Black men in prison.
You can't say Black men are patriarchs and then we can't graduate high school.
You can't say Black men are patriarchs yet Black women are more likely to be higher educated and the breadwinner.
Those are not patriarchal qualities.
The issue that Black women who parrot this idea of a Black patriarchy, they don't look at Black people through the lens of what Black life is actually like.
They look at Black life like it's White life.
Theres nothing patriarchal about a group of people that don't even marry.
We don't even marry each other.
We don't even have consistent nuclear family structures.
My point about the Black women issues thing is that Black women issues are never brought up in a quantitative manner, it is taken matter of factly and when they are addressed in the context of Black men issues...it's always a non-sequitir and it's always in a way to make the Black male identity disappear.
Cause let's be honest. Black male issues are Black community issues and Black female issues are Black female issues.
Black men are treated like Black people until we are we are not and then our identity pathologized.
A prime example of this is domestic violence. Black men can kill each other all that and the moment a Black man lays a hand on a Black woman and then we are toxic males, brutes and patriarchal.
And my thing is, if Black feminists actually would look it up, Black women lay hands on Black men just the same.
But if we bring that up and then we get accused of misogynoir and etc.
Black feminists have done a very evil and despicable thing.
Black people can't be talked badly about, Black women can't be talked badly about but Black men can.
Mike Brown is a Black person when he gets shot in the streets but he's a Black man if his girlfriend accuses him of beating her ass. Then he's a piece of shyt toxic male, Black patriarch, example of misogynoir and etc.
What is a Black woman that starves her daughter nearly to death?
We don't have these ideological frameworks to pathologize Black women because it is considered morally wrong.
If the same shyt Black feminists today say about Black men was said by a White talking head on Fox, that man would be considered racist.
But a Black woman says it we supposed to hear her out.
The funny shyt, the thing that Black feminists have been duped into. The reason why Black women are at risk for rape, assault, and etc higher than other women is because y'all don't have a patriarchy.
We live a White dominated patriarchal society and guess what...they can't have other patriarchies...
Black women have let White misrepresent their historical legacy. Black women always had higher labor force participation. Black women were at the threat of rape in ways that are unspeakable. There never was any legal redress.
White women never had to work cause her man took care of her. The very thought of a White women being raped sent White men into a frenzy to form lynch mobs.
That's what patriarchy actually looks like.
Patriarchy has law and order, protection and benefits for women.
Black feminists have let White women sell them a fukking sob story.
Boohoo I can't go to work.
Boohoo my husband fukks me when I don't want to
Black woman work cause she has to.
Black woman husband got sold down the river and ain't seen him in a decade.
That's what not having a patriarchy looks like.
I don't want a patriarchy but a patriarchy is better than whatever we have right now.
I personally do not care to unify with anyone that stands between me and my people having a happy life.
I like divisiveness. Whats the point in trying to stick together? This is politics, there are winners and losers and Black men have been losing the gender war.
We thought it was a game. A bunch of movies and books.
We didn't think of the real world consequences because we thought we need to unify and listen to the other side.
Black feminists have created a 50 year argument straight out of Jim Crow about why Black men are a existential threat to their existence.
The shyt reads exactly like what White men said about Black men in the 1800s.
Black men should've nipped this in the bud in the 70s.
We should've learned our lesson with White people. But we think because we all Black it's different and it's not.
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