Don’t blame the players for load management, blame NBA teams

[King Poetic]

Imagine Jerry Krause telling Mike u have to sit , we got data from medical staff that says u going to risk that ankle injury

Mike would tell Jerry and the staff “ u see those 20,000 fans in Chicago Stadium? I’m the reason u and the medical staff got a job, GTFOH

 

[concise]

You said it yourself futbol has about a month. NBA most teams have off from March-October theres a big difference. What was sports science reason for Dame sitting out game right after all star break

It was already posted in this thread.
Did you read or did you just come in here angry because it's not 1998 anymore?

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Players do not have more power than the decision makers. That’s the great misperception about this era. A select few players have power, but a guy like Shai Gildres-Alexander ain’t one of them.

And ultimately, the owners are the ones who employ and pays for everyone’s meal. Absolving them of any responsibility is just what we do. Especially as these owners have become more younger and technocratic.

They do have power and it'd be disingenuous to insist otherwise. We see it all the time now where non-superstar players are literally griping and forcing their way into different destinations. We just saw that with Crowder most recently and PJ Tucker just a few years ago.

These teams are going to do whatever it takes to appease their young superstar players and it'd be disingenuous to insist otherwise especially when said players could use the media and those sports talk shows to help do their bidding.

Let SGA become frustrated in OKC and watch how fast ESPN and the media tries to help get him out of there.

 

[Regular_P]

Everything has already been said but I'll point out once again that NHL players do not load manage and they play the same schedule at the same time. Their careers are not being cut short either.

 

[mbewane]

Like I said in the Dame thread, it's still an NBA problem as a whole. Ok let's not blame players, let's blame teams. Fine. Still in this age where everyone keeps repeating that players are more athletic than ever, have access to the most improved medical staffs, personal chefs etc...yet they are sitting. Something doesn't seem quite right. If they aren't able to go a full NBA season, maybe something has to be twitched in the schedule or in the lenghth of the season. It would be interesting to have numbers on how many players actually play the full season over the course of the years.

And if it's team forcing players to sit, why aren't players talking against it? It's the star players that are sitting out games, their contracts are guaranteed and they are the faces of their franchises. Lebron or Kawhi are afraid to speak against load management? What's the worse that could happen, a 20000 dollar fine? A couple...DNPs? Lol. If teams are the ones deciding who sits when, I'm pretty sure players are somewhat ok with it to a certain level.

 

[concise]

Like I said in the Dame thread, it's still an NBA problem as a whole. Ok let's not blame players, let's blame teams. Fine. Still in this age where everyone keeps repeating that players are more athletic than ever, have access to the most improved medical staffs, personal chefs etc...yet they are sitting. Something doesn't seem quite right. If they aren't able to go a full NBA season, maybe something has to be twitched in the schedule or in the lenghth of the season. It would be interesting to have numbers on how many players actually play the full season over the course of the years.

And if it's team forcing players to sit, why aren't players talking against it? It's the star players that are sitting out games, their contracts are guaranteed and they are the faces of their franchises. Lebron or Kawhi are afraid to speak against load management? What's the worse that could happen, a 20000 dollar fine? A couple...DNPs? Lol. If teams are the ones deciding who sits when, I'm pretty sure players are somewhat ok with it to a certain level.

Why would stars speak out against it? Their contracts are guaranteed.

 

[mastermind]

They do have power and it'd be disingenuous to insist otherwise. We see it all the time now where non-superstar players are literally griping and forcing their way into different destinations. We just saw that with Crowder most recently and PJ Tucker just a few years ago.

These teams are going to do whatever it takes to appease their young superstar players and it'd be disingenuous to insist otherwise especially when said players could use the media and those sports talk shows to help do their bidding.

Let SGA become frustrated in OKC and watch how fast ESPN and the media tries to help get him out of there.

Jae crowder sat out and watched this season. He didn't play a minute. He also had no control of where he was going. The Suns were perfectly fine with him sitting out and waiting for the best deal.

And for every Jae Crowder, we have several Patrick Beverly's who are excited about playing with their former teammate, only to get traded hours later.

But that ignores the greater point that owners get no criticism for "load management."

 

[mbewane]

It's done in every sport in the world. Sports science refer to it as the red zone.

Once again its about getting peak performance both physically and mentally when it comes to the end of the season/championships/playoffs etc. It doesn't matter what sport plays x amount of mins. It isn't a pissing contest

Let me ask you this. Do you think Benzema would be performing at this ridiculously high level post C dot left Real. If didn't have for 6 years basically have a week off every month for international fixtures during the season and having 6 weeks off in the summer when those playing international football at best are getting 3 weeks off from their seasoning ending to the new one starting/reported bsck for pre season.. When everyone ele is slogging away Benz is drip lording it up hes resting and recovery. And looked what happened when Benzema resumed his international career he started picking up injuries because of the extra wear and tear in his mid 30's.

Can't lie, that's a pretty good point.

 

[mbewane]

Why would stars speak out against it? Their contracts are guaranteed.

I'm saying if they were against load management they could speak out against it. If they don't I suppose it's because they're more/less ok with it.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Jae crowder sat out and watched this season. He didn't play a minute. He also had no control of where he was going. The Suns were perfectly fine with him sitting out and waiting for the best deal.

And for every Jae Crowder, we have several Patrick Beverly's who are excited about playing with their former teammate, only to get traded hours later.

But that ignores the greater point that owners get no criticism for "load management."

A few reasons for that being:

1. The majority of fans including casuals who complain about load management couldn't even tell you who is the owner or works in the FO for that matter.

2. The NBA promotes its players over the teams or league as a whole, so of course they're going to bear the brunt of the blame whether it's fair or not as they are in front of the cameras more than said owners or front office.

You're not wrong at all, which is why I think that the cap on All NBA will help solve that problem as it will help put more pressure on the owners and give more players power to speak up against load management since said decisions could cost them that extra bump in pay during their next contract for making All NBA team especially with the cap rising.

Players would stop blaming the media and instead turn their ire towards the owners who benefit financially when players don't make All NBA team. If you missed too many games due to actual injury, then you shouldn't make All NBA team anyways at the expense of someone else whose actually playing and putting up same said numbers.

 

[mastermind]

A few reasons for that being:

1. The majority of fans including casuals who complain about load management couldn't even tell you who is the owner or works in the FO for that matter.

2. The NBA promotes its players over the teams or league as a whole, so of course they're going to bear the brunt of the blame whether it's fair or not as they are in front of the cameras more than said owners or front office.

You're not wrong at all, which is why I think that the cap on All NBA will help solve that problem as it will help put more pressure on the owners and give more players power to speak up against load management since said decisions could cost them that extra bump in pay during their next contract for making All NBA team especially with the cap rising.

Players would stop blaming the media and instead turn their ire towards the owners who benefit financially when players don't make All NBA team. If you missed too many games due to actual injury, then you shouldn't make All NBA team anyways at the expense of someone else whose actually playing and putting up same said numbers.

And everything goes back to how Americans, and people who live in western capitalism, are taught to blame labor and not the owners.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

And everything goes back to how Americans, and people who live in western capitalism, are taught to blame labor and not the owners.

Sports isn't the example to use to make that argument though as you're going to hard pressed to gain sympathy for millionaire athletes and celebrities whether that's fair or not.

The more money you make the less sympathy you're going to get. Personally, I place more blame on the players than the owners as the latter benefits more because of load management when it strictly comes to All NBA time and the $40+ million less they have to pay a player due to that decision, which is why they should be more vocal when it comes down to it.

 

[Elim Garak]

Bullshyt a starter and certainly a star can override that shyt no problem.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

You said it yourself futbol has about a month. NBA most teams have off from March-October theres a big difference. What was sports science reason for Dame sitting out game right after all star break

It isn't a pissing contest. Just because they have a longer off season doesn't mean players aren't being beaten up during the course of the season. What niggling injuries they have or even what's going on in their private lives off the court which could be effecting performance on the court which is a mental issue. Or giving a player a rest ahead of a busy schedule/important games

I'm going to tell you why Dame got an extra day off.

Portland got 23 games left of the season and they are 4 games out from the 6th seed.
Dame basically played the last 25 games in a row including the allstar game since returning from what a calf or wrist injury was it? Back in the early part of the season. Barring injury hes going to play the next 23 games. The team doctors/sports science decided to give him an extra day off now while it's the best time to do so. How dare they give their star player who is 32 an extra day's rest to give them the best chance for the rest of the season what's wrong with that? They played Thursday and Portland don't play again till Monday and then the next week they have not 1 but 2 b2b games. The 1st b2b is vs 2 teams they are fighting for an automatic spot. Why wouldn't you want a fit and firing Dame ready for that? Those 2 games are more important than playing a the Kings who are what 2nd/3rd in the West and have pretty much secured a playoff spot.

Now doesnt that make sense as to why he was given an extra day off? It's all about getting peak performance from your star player.

 

[mastermind]

Sports isn't the example to use to make that argument though as you're going to hard pressed to gain sympathy for millionaire athletes and celebrities whether that's fair or not.

Sports is the clearest example of that because they have unions and yet we are taught to rail against labor while the billionaires to just walk around with no blame.