Does the Talmud ACTUALLY say that?

[Koichos]

Breh, you know I can’t let you get away with this type of comment/belief system

I gotta keep that same energy with you as I do with “Hebrews Israelites”

No race based theology/tribalism in religion allowed

Yisra´el has been a ‘nation’ (that is, a ‘people’) for a very, very long time—we became one in Mitzrayim three and a half millennia ago:

וְעָנִ֨יתָֿ וְאָמַרְתָּ֜ לִפְֿנֵ֣י ׀ יְיָ֣ אֱלֹקֶ֗יךָ
אֲרַמִּי֙ אֹבֵֿ֣דֿ אָבִ֔י
וַיֵּ֣רֶדֿ מִצְרַ֔יְמָה
וַיָּ֥גׇֿר שָׁ֖ם בִּמְתֵֿ֣י מְעָ֑ט
וַֽיְהִי־שָׁ֕ם לְגֿ֥וֹי גָּדֿ֖וֹל עָצ֥וּם וָרָֽבֿ׃​

Then you are to call out and say before Adοnai, your God,
‘An Arammi [tried to] destroy my ancestor
so he descended to Mitzrayim
and settled there [temporarily], being few in number;
and there he became a great, powerful and numerous nation.’ (D'varim 26:5—a verse which is quoted during tonight’s very important table-ceremonial for Pesah Eve)

In fact, Jewish history can be said to have begun nearly 4,000 years ago, in 1948 לִבְרִיאַת הָעולָם (when Avram Avinu was born).

What Good is it to GOD if you’re a Jewish “Person” who doesn’t believe in him?

There’s no “GOLDEN TICKET” which guarantees a person heaven or salvation or whatever the purpose of a religion based on the BODY, FAMILY OR TRIBE he or she is born into

We are born ‘saved’:

אַשְׁרֶ֨יךָֿ יִשְׂרָאֵ֜ל מִ֣י כָֿמ֗וֹךָֿ
...עַ֚ם נוֹשַׁ֣ע בַּֽייָ֔​

Oh Yisra´el, how fortunate you are! who is like you?—
a people [that] has been ‘saved’ by Adοnai... (D'varim 33:29)

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...יִשְׂרָאֵל֙ נוֹשַׁ֣ע בַּֽייָ֔ תְּשׁוּעַ֖תֿ עֽוֹלָמִ֑ים​

Yisra´el has been ‘saved’ by Adοnai—an eternal salvation... (Y'sha`yahu 45:17)

And just remember me and you (by Old Testament standards) are no different in the eyes of GOD (I’m assuming you’re a pretty faithful follower of Torah) because

Exodus 12:48 “And WHEN A STRANGER SHALL SOGURN WITH THEE, and will keep the PASSOVER to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; AND HE SHALL BE AS ONE THAT IS BORN IN THE LAND: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.”

Exodus 12:49 “ONE LAW shall be to him that is HOMEBORN, and unto the STRANGER that sojourneth among you.”

i. Jews do not read the ‘old testament’; and
ii. you are not a גֵּר ger, so those verses don’t apply to you.

And even in the Bible according to God we see:

Genesis 26:4 “And I will make THY SEED to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give UNTO THY SEED all these countries; and IN THY SEED shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;”

Genesis 26:5 “Because that Abraham OBEYED MY VOICE, and KEPT MY CHARGE, MY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES, and MY LAWS.”

The point is for ALL NATIONS to be blessed.

Yes, ‘the Earth’s families’ are blessed ‘through’ Yisra´el (B'reshyt 48:20).

And further that we can ALL BE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM by Gods promise:

No. The promises Gοd made to Avraham Avinu were limited to his זֶרַע zera`, for which He provides His very own definition:

בְְֿיִִצְְחָָָ֔ק יִִקָָּרֵֵ֥א לְְךָֿ֖ זָָֽרַַע׃...​

...[your offspring] through Yitzħaḳ will be considered your ‘zera`’. (B'reshyt 21:12)

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My apologies for the terseness of this post, but I don’t have much time before `Erev Pesah is due to begin!

 

[DoubleClutch]

Yisra´el has been a ‘nation’ (that is, a ‘people’) for a very, very long time—we became one in Mitzrayim three and a half millennia ago:

In fact, Jewish history can be said to have begun nearly 4,000 years ago, in 1948 לִבְרִיאַת הָעולָם (when Avram Avinu was born).


We are born ‘saved’:



i. Jews do not read the ‘old testament’; and
ii. you are not a גֵּר ger, so those verses don’t apply to you.


Yes, ‘the Earth’s families’ are blessed ‘through’ Yisra´el (B'reshyt 48:20).


No. The promises Gοd made to Avraham Avinu were limited to his זֶרַע zera`, for which He provides His very own definition:

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My apologies for the terseness of this post, but I don’t have much time before `Erev Pesah is due to begin!

Yes we are all born with the fullness of Gods mercy available as a way out. This is “Gods salvation” or JESUS

Yeshua (יְשׁוּעָה) is the Hebrew name for Jesus, and it means "Yahweh saves" or "salvation". It's a late form of the Hebrew name "Yehoshua" (Joshua)

but we all have free will and we all sin as proven in the Torah with israel and lives of the prophets

Think about it, how can we define what being “saved” is without the existence of something out there which causes us to need saving
from Gods wrath.

In the Bible Israel is shown doing most the sinning

How do you know what I am?

Yes, the earth is most impacted by Jesus and his followers (Jews)

ISRAEL = the suffering servant
Jesus = the suffering servant

That’s why we must “Take up our cross” to follow him.

You “take up your cross” everyday living as an orthodox Jew

What about Abraham and his offspring? Aren’t we all mixed after all?

Do not despise an Edomite, for the Edomites are related to you. Do not despise an Egyptian, because you resided as foreigners in their country.8 The third generation of children born to them may enter the assembly of the Lord.

- Deuteronomy 23:7-8

 

[MMS]

Yes we are all born with the fullness of Gods mercy available as a way out. This is “Gods salvation” or JESUS

Yeshua (יְשׁוּעָה) is the Hebrew name for Jesus, and it means "Yahweh saves" or "salvation". It's a late form of the Hebrew name "Yehoshua" (Joshua)

but we all have free will and we all sin as proven in the Torah with israel and lives of the prophets

Think about it, how can we define what being “saved” is without the existence of something out there which causes us to need saving
from Gods wrath.

In the Bible Israel is shown doing most the sinning

How do you know what I am?

Yes, the earth is most impacted by Jesus and his followers (Jews)

ISRAEL = the suffering servant
Jesus = the suffering servant

That’s why we must “Take up our cross” to follow him.

You “take up your cross” everyday living as an orthodox Jew

What about Abraham and his offspring? Aren’t we all mixed after all?

Do not despise an Edomite, for the Edomites are related to you. Do not despise an Egyptian, because you resided as foreigners in their country.8 The third generation of children born to them may enter the assembly of the Lord.

- Deuteronomy 23:7-8

I think you are misunderstanding why Israel is God's nation

IE why isnt it "And Abraham I will make a covenant because of your great great grandson Judah"?

or why isnt it "And Abraham I will make a covenant because of your great great great great....David"?

etc etc

its because we are "sons" of Israel. The begetting started with Israel thats why when Pharaoh would not let his people go he said to the Pharaoh (who did not know Joseph) that Israel is even his first born...

he didnt say "Saul is my firstborn" or "Adam is my firstborn" he said ISRAEL


truly contemplate it, that even Muslims are very sure to include Jacob and his sons in their narrative. It has significance beyond most peoples understanding.

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