Does the Talmud ACTUALLY say that?

[DoubleClutch]

New video up @Koichos get in here

But seriously, this was a good video that cleared up many misconceptions….. maybe a little biased overall but as a Jew he tried to objective as I imagine possible.

Might need to subscribe to the channel.

My takeaway:

Is the Talmud basically the Hadiths but in Jewish form?

Is the Talmud the real creator of modern Judaism just like some critics of Christianity claim it’s a work of PAUL?

And last but not least, why the Jesus HATE if he died and is another failed messiah from the Jewish point of view?

I see Jesus was living rent free in the minds of Jewish leaders/scholars even 500 years later for them to actually say he will be punished by “BOILING EXCREMENT”!

That statement alone kinda kills the credibility of a “religious document”.

It seems overly vengeful and graphic coming from the writings of the most respected Rabbis at the time, but I digress….. maybe there’s some comedic gems in the Talmud

I might actually have to give it a read sooner than later.

@MMS have you read the Talmud?

 

[MMS]

New video up @Koichos get in here

But seriously, this was a good video that cleared up many misconceptions….. maybe a little biased overall but as a Jew he tried to objective as I imagine possible.

Might need to subscribe to the channel.

My takeaway:

Is the Talmud basically the Hadiths but in Jewish form?

Is the Talmud the real creator of modern Judaism just like some critics of Christianity claim it’s a work of PAUL?

And last but not least, why the Jesus HATE if he died and is another failed messiah from the Jewish point of view?

I see Jesus was living rent free in the minds of Jewish leaders/scholars even 500 years later for them to actually say he will be punished by “BOILING EXCREMENT”!

That statement alone kinda kills the credibility of a “religious document”.

It seems overly vengeful and graphic coming from the writings of the most respected Rabbis at the time, but I digress….. maybe there’s some comedic gems in the Talmud

I might actually have to give it a read sooner than later.

@MMS have you read the Talmud?

not the whole thing no, but i have read parts of it

why do you think they say he will be punished that way?

from my pov it is not like the hadiths at all

Jesus said not one jot or tittle (qotz of a yodh, or a fine part of it) will be destroyed till all is fulfilled

that creates an interesting issue, what has Jesus done to people who have destroyed works of hebrew texts the barbarians notoriously forced persians/arabs to drink molten gold

and Judah was responsible for persian captivity

 

[Koichos]

New video up @Koichos get in here

But seriously, this was a good video that cleared up many misconceptions….. maybe a little biased overall but as a Jew he tried to objective as I imagine possible.

Might need to subscribe to the channel.

My takeaway:

Is the Talmud basically the Hadiths but in Jewish form?

Is the Talmud the real creator of modern Judaism just like some critics of Christianity claim it’s a work of PAUL?

The Talmudim are comprised of two parts: the mishnah (written in Hebrew) is the ‘Oral Tοrah’, the g'mara (written in Aramaic) is the ‘commentary’. The Aramaic found in the g'mara y'rushalmit is written in the dialect of Y'rushalayim while the Aramaic found in g'mara bavlit is written in the Babylonian dialect. It is the same mishnah in both.

And last but not least, why the Jesus HATE if he died and is another failed messiah from the Jewish point of view?

I see Jesus was living rent free in the minds of Jewish leaders/scholars even 500 years later for them to actually say he will be punished by “BOILING EXCREMENT”!

Huh? This ‘Yeshu’ lived in the 2nd century BCE, a contemporary of the Hasmonaean king Yanna´i (reigned 102-76 BCE, son of Yοhanan ben Hurḳanοs ‘John Hyrcanus’) and student of Y'hοshu`a ben P'rahyah (the second of the five renowned zugοt (‘pairs’) who, alongside Natta´i Ha´arbeli, headed the Great Sanhedrin round about 140-100 BCE).

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That statement alone kinda kills the credibility of a “religious document”.

The Maharsh"a explains its Biblical derivation in his ‘Hiddushei Aggadot’ there.

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It seems overly vengeful and graphic coming from the writings of the most respected Rabbis at the time, but I digress…..

It is a typical aggadic hyperbole in similar style to the one mentioned there in relation to the wicked Bil`am.

maybe there’s some comedic gems in the Talmud

Yes, but their nuances are lost in translation due to the often legal, technical and cultural terms for which there just isn’t a corresponding word in English.

 

[merklman]

Can the resident Jewish folk here speak on what they think about Jewish law saying its OK to marry and have sex with 3 year old girls?

 

[cheek100]

Can the resident Jewish folk here speak on what they think about Jewish law saying its OK to marry and have sex with 3 year old girls?

ill Politely take a seat for this

 

[DoubleClutch]

ill Politely take a seat for this

Watch the video in the OP, he explains it pretty thoroughly

It has to do with conditions of rape and if a girl can still be considered “pure” afterwards when later grown up and seeking marriage

 

[DoubleClutch]

The Talmudim are comprised of two parts: the mishnah (written in Hebrew) is the ‘Oral Tοrah’, the g'mara (written in Aramaic) is the ‘commentary’. The Aramaic found in the g'mara y'rushalmit is written in the dialect of Y'rushalayim while the Aramaic found in g'mara bavlit is written in the Babylonian dialect. It is the same mishnah in both.


Huh? This ‘Yeshu’ lived in the 2nd century BCE, a contemporary of the Hasmonaean king Yanna´i (reigned 102-76 BCE, son of Yοhanan ben Hurḳanοs ‘John Hyrcanus’) and student of Y'hοshu`a ben P'rahyah (the second of the five renowned zugοt (‘pairs’) who, alongside Natta´i Ha´arbeli, headed the Great Sanhedrin round about 140-100 BCE).

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The Maharsh"a explains its Biblical derivation in his ‘Hiddushei Aggadot’ there.

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It is a typical aggadic hyperbole in similar style to the one mentioned there in relation to the wicked Bil`am.


Yes, but their nuances are lost in translation due to the often legal, technical and cultural terms for which there just isn’t a corresponding word in English.

Question:

Are there any modern Jews who are Torah only and reject the Talmud

Let’s say for example, that someone doesn’t necessarily need the teachings of Paul to become a Christian

Is the same true in Judaism?

Is reading and knowing the Talumd required to be a “Jew” or part of the faith process?

 

[merklman]

Watch the video in the OP, he explains it pretty thoroughly

It has to do with conditions of rape and if a girl can still be considered “pure” afterwards when later grown up and seeking marriage

Stfu clown, are you Jewish? No one cares what you have to say moron

 

[cheek100]

Watch the video in the OP, he explains it pretty thoroughly

It has to do with conditions of rape and if a girl can still be considered “pure” afterwards when later grown up and seeking marriage

I’m waiting on the junes to explain it as it’s hard to get them to talk about this. Very odd seeing that it’s used for lifestyle, relationships, business and ofcourse religion. What’s even more odd is the Christians that are aligned. We need ye to break this down

 

[DoubleClutch]

Stfu clown, are you Jewish? No one cares what you have to say moron

Thought you already knew.

I’m Hebrew Israelite.
Original Black man descendants of the ancient tribe of Yoos

 

[Koichos]

Watch the video in the OP, he explains it pretty thoroughly

It has to do with conditions of rape and if a girl can still be considered “pure” afterwards when later grown up and seeking marriage

Such an act should never have been done in the first place (‘l'chat'hillah’, a priori); but, once it has been done (‘b'di`avad’, ex post facto), how does it affect her legal status? In Jewish law, certain pedigree (kοhanim, for example) are prohibited from marrying Jewish women who have engaged in relations with gentiles. However, if she were raped (חַס וְחָלִילָה), as a child, she may keep her ‘pure’ status: legally it is as if she had never been touched. Similar provisions are put in place for young boys against grown women.

The two Talmudim are replete with postulates for the sake of analyzing a point and encouraging discussion around that matter; this does not make them statements of truth.
Unfortunately, they have been translated into [a kind of] English and accessed by the unlearned. It is sad that this is so, but in this modern age it is unavoidable. In any event, there is no implication that it is ‘approved’ for a man to have relations with such a young girl (or a woman with a young boy); it isn’t, and that issue is dealt with elsewhere.

Question:

Are there any modern Jews who are Torah only and reject the Talmud

I’m sure there are. But evidence of the Oral Law can be found in the Tana"ch itself (dating from the earliest period of the ‘Judges’), so these are the practices of our ancestors.

Let’s say for example, that someone doesn’t necessarily need the teachings of Paul to become a Christian

Is the same true in Judaism?

Is reading and knowing the Talumd required to be a “Jew” or part of the faith process?

No, women don’t learn Talmud. And we are a people, not a religion. That is why a convert becomes a Jewish person, not a Jewish believer; he or she will forevermore remain a Jew, no matter their belief down the road — גֵּר שֶׁנִּתְגַּיֵּר כְּקָטָן שֶׁנּוֹלָד דָּמֵי ger shennitgayyer k'ḳattan shennοlad damei (‘a ger who has been converted is like a newborn infant’).

 

[merklman]

Thought you already knew.

I’m Hebrew Israelite.
Original Black man descendants of the ancient tribe of Yoos

I did not know that - so you are qualified to speak on why your people think it's ok to have 3 year old girls . . Speak on it freak

 

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Faggit crackers that killed Jesus

 

[Pure Water]

I watched some of his videos before. He actually used to be Catholic and converted due to his wife.

 

[DoubleClutch]

No, women don’t learn Talmud. And we are a people, not a religion. That is why a convert becomes a Jewish person, not a Jewish believer; he or she will forevermore remain a Jew, no matter their belief down the road — גֵּר שֶׁנִּתְגַּיֵּר כְּקָטָן שֶׁנּוֹלָד דָּמֵי ger shennitgayyer k'ḳattan shennοlad damei (‘a ger who has been converted is like a newborn infant’).

Breh, you know I can’t let you get away with this type of comment/belief system

I gotta keep that same energy with you as I do with “Hebrews Israelites”

No race based theology/tribalism in religion allowed

Remember

Exodus 19:5 “Now therefore, IF ye will OBEY MY VOICE INDEED, and KEEP MY COVENANT, THEN ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto ME above ALL PEOPLE: for all the earth is mine:”

It’s not the people or race but those who follow God and believe in him

What Good is it to GOD if you’re a Jewish “Person” who doesn’t believe in him?

There’s no “GOLDEN TICKET” which guarantees a person heaven or salvation or whatever the purpose of a religion based on the BODY, FAMILY OR TRIBE he or she is born into

There’s no GOD DNA or ancient Israelite Gene and neither can this be proven.

It’s a belief system and a covenant

And even in the Bible according to God we see:

Genesis 26:4 “And I will make THY SEED to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give UNTO THY SEED all these countries; and IN THY SEED shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;”

Genesis 26:5 “Because that Abraham OBEYED MY VOICE, and KEPT MY CHARGE, MY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES, and MY LAWS.”

The point is for ALL NATIONS to be blessed.

And JESUS is the seed of Abraham which has impacted the WORLD positively more than anyone even you would agree is an ISRAELITE

And just remember me and you (by Old Testament standards) are no different in the eyes of GOD (I’m assuming you’re a pretty faithful follower of Torah) because

Exodus 12:48 “And WHEN A STRANGER SHALL SOGURN WITH THEE, and will keep the PASSOVER to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; AND HE SHALL BE AS ONE THAT IS BORN IN THE LAND: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.”

Exodus 12:49 “ONE LAW shall be to him that is HOMEBORN, and unto the STRANGER that sojourneth among you.”

Only difference now is that since JESUS came the outward method of IDENTIFYING someones Faith or as being part of Israel has been replaced by the inward idea of those circumcised are by HEART:

In Romans 2:29 Paul makes the argument that “a Jew is one inwardly” and that “circumcision is a matter of the heart.” This is really not a new argument, though. The Old Testament is filled with references to circumcision of the heart; it was woven into the covenant language of Deuteronomy.

And further that we can ALL BE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM by Gods promise:

Galatians 3:28 “There is NEITHER Jew nor Greek, there is NEITHER bond nor free, there is NEITHER male nor female: for YE ARE ALL ONE in MESSIAH JESUS.”

Galatians 3:29 “And IF YE BE MESSIAH’S, THEN ARE YE Abraham's SEED, and HEIRS according to the PROMISE.”

^ All this doesn’t take away from what you identify as your history, identity, culture, linage or homeland

It just means God is accessible to every one, and NOT limited to a specific people who are featured in the Bible narrative.