Does the Talmud ACTUALLY say that?

[Koichos]

Breh, you know I can’t let you get away with this type of comment/belief system

I gotta keep that same energy with you as I do with “Hebrews Israelites”

No race based theology/tribalism in religion allowed

Yisra´el has been a ‘nation’ (that is, a ‘people’) for a very, very long time—we became one in Mitzrayim three and a half millennia ago:

וְעָנִ֨יתָֿ וְאָמַרְתָּ֜ לִפְֿנֵ֣י ׀ יְיָ֣ אֱלֹקֶ֗יךָ
אֲרַמִּי֙ אֹבֵֿ֣דֿ אָבִ֔י
וַיֵּ֣רֶדֿ מִצְרַ֔יְמָה
וַיָּ֥גׇֿר שָׁ֖ם בִּמְתֵֿ֣י מְעָ֑ט
וַֽיְהִי־שָׁ֕ם לְגֿ֥וֹי גָּדֿ֖וֹל עָצ֥וּם וָרָֽבֿ׃​

Then you are to call out and say before Adοnai, your God,
‘An Arammi [tried to] destroy my ancestor
so he descended to Mitzrayim
and settled there [temporarily], being few in number;
and there he became a great, powerful and numerous nation.’ (D'varim 26:5—a verse which is quoted during tonight’s very important table-ceremonial for Pesah Eve)

In fact, Jewish history can be said to have begun nearly 4,000 years ago, in 1948 לִבְרִיאַת הָעולָם (when Avram Avinu was born).

What Good is it to GOD if you’re a Jewish “Person” who doesn’t believe in him?

There’s no “GOLDEN TICKET” which guarantees a person heaven or salvation or whatever the purpose of a religion based on the BODY, FAMILY OR TRIBE he or she is born into

We are born ‘saved’:

אַשְׁרֶ֨יךָֿ יִשְׂרָאֵ֜ל מִ֣י כָֿמ֗וֹךָֿ
...עַ֚ם נוֹשַׁ֣ע בַּֽייָ֔​

Oh Yisra´el, how fortunate you are! who is like you?—
a people [that] has been ‘saved’ by Adοnai... (D'varim 33:29)

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...יִשְׂרָאֵל֙ נוֹשַׁ֣ע בַּֽייָ֔ תְּשׁוּעַ֖תֿ עֽוֹלָמִ֑ים​

Yisra´el has been ‘saved’ by Adοnai—an eternal salvation... (Y'sha`yahu 45:17)

And just remember me and you (by Old Testament standards) are no different in the eyes of GOD (I’m assuming you’re a pretty faithful follower of Torah) because

Exodus 12:48 “And WHEN A STRANGER SHALL SOGURN WITH THEE, and will keep the PASSOVER to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; AND HE SHALL BE AS ONE THAT IS BORN IN THE LAND: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.”

Exodus 12:49 “ONE LAW shall be to him that is HOMEBORN, and unto the STRANGER that sojourneth among you.”

i. Jews do not read the ‘old testament’; and
ii. you are not a גֵּר ger, so those verses don’t apply to you.

And even in the Bible according to God we see:

Genesis 26:4 “And I will make THY SEED to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give UNTO THY SEED all these countries; and IN THY SEED shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;”

Genesis 26:5 “Because that Abraham OBEYED MY VOICE, and KEPT MY CHARGE, MY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES, and MY LAWS.”

The point is for ALL NATIONS to be blessed.

Yes, ‘the Earth’s families’ are blessed ‘through’ Yisra´el (B'reshyt 48:20).

And further that we can ALL BE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM by Gods promise:

No. The promises Gοd made to Avraham Avinu were limited to his זֶרַע zera`, for which He provides His very own definition:

בְְֿיִִצְְחָָָ֔ק יִִקָָּרֵֵ֥א לְְךָֿ֖ זָָֽרַַע׃...​

...[your offspring] through Yitzħaḳ will be considered your ‘zera`’. (B'reshyt 21:12)

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My apologies for the terseness of this post, but I don’t have much time before `Erev Pesah is due to begin!

 

[DoubleClutch]

Yisra´el has been a ‘nation’ (that is, a ‘people’) for a very, very long time—we became one in Mitzrayim three and a half millennia ago:

In fact, Jewish history can be said to have begun nearly 4,000 years ago, in 1948 לִבְרִיאַת הָעולָם (when Avram Avinu was born).


We are born ‘saved’:



i. Jews do not read the ‘old testament’; and
ii. you are not a גֵּר ger, so those verses don’t apply to you.


Yes, ‘the Earth’s families’ are blessed ‘through’ Yisra´el (B'reshyt 48:20).


No. The promises Gοd made to Avraham Avinu were limited to his זֶרַע zera`, for which He provides His very own definition:

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My apologies for the terseness of this post, but I don’t have much time before `Erev Pesah is due to begin!

Yes we are all born with the fullness of Gods mercy available as a way out. This is “Gods salvation” or JESUS

Yeshua (יְשׁוּעָה) is the Hebrew name for Jesus, and it means "Yahweh saves" or "salvation". It's a late form of the Hebrew name "Yehoshua" (Joshua)

but we all have free will and we all sin as proven in the Torah with israel and lives of the prophets

Think about it, how can we define what being “saved” is without the existence of something out there which causes us to need saving
from Gods wrath.

In the Bible Israel is shown doing most the sinning

How do you know what I am?

Yes, the earth is most impacted by Jesus and his followers (Jews)

ISRAEL = the suffering servant
Jesus = the suffering servant

That’s why we must “Take up our cross” to follow him.

You “take up your cross” everyday living as an orthodox Jew

What about Abraham and his offspring? Aren’t we all mixed after all?

Do not despise an Edomite, for the Edomites are related to you. Do not despise an Egyptian, because you resided as foreigners in their country.8 The third generation of children born to them may enter the assembly of the Lord.

- Deuteronomy 23:7-8

 

[MMS]

Yes we are all born with the fullness of Gods mercy available as a way out. This is “Gods salvation” or JESUS

Yeshua (יְשׁוּעָה) is the Hebrew name for Jesus, and it means "Yahweh saves" or "salvation". It's a late form of the Hebrew name "Yehoshua" (Joshua)

but we all have free will and we all sin as proven in the Torah with israel and lives of the prophets

Think about it, how can we define what being “saved” is without the existence of something out there which causes us to need saving
from Gods wrath.

In the Bible Israel is shown doing most the sinning

How do you know what I am?

Yes, the earth is most impacted by Jesus and his followers (Jews)

ISRAEL = the suffering servant
Jesus = the suffering servant

That’s why we must “Take up our cross” to follow him.

You “take up your cross” everyday living as an orthodox Jew

What about Abraham and his offspring? Aren’t we all mixed after all?

Do not despise an Edomite, for the Edomites are related to you. Do not despise an Egyptian, because you resided as foreigners in their country.8 The third generation of children born to them may enter the assembly of the Lord.

- Deuteronomy 23:7-8

I think you are misunderstanding why Israel is God's nation

IE why isnt it "And Abraham I will make a covenant because of your great great grandson Judah"?

or why isnt it "And Abraham I will make a covenant because of your great great great great....David"?

etc etc

its because we are "sons" of Israel. The begetting started with Israel thats why when Pharaoh would not let his people go he said to the Pharaoh (who did not know Joseph) that Israel is even his first born...

he didnt say "Saul is my firstborn" or "Adam is my firstborn" he said ISRAEL


truly contemplate it, that even Muslims are very sure to include Jacob and his sons in their narrative. It has significance beyond most peoples understanding.

Surah Yusuf - 1-111 - Quran.com

Read and listen to Surah Yusuf. The Surah was revealed in Mecca, ordered 12 in the Quran. The Surah title means "Joseph" in English and consists of 11...

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[Koichos]

Yes we are all born with the fullness of Gods mercy available as a way out. This is “Gods salvation” or JESUS

The promised ‘king’ (messiah) foretold in the Prophets is not going to do any ‘saving’ but is himself described as being ‘saved’.

גִּילִ֨י מְאֹ֜דֿ בַּתֿ־צִיּ֗וֹן הָרִ֨יעִי֙ בַּ֣תֿ יְרֽוּשָׁלִַ֔ם
הִנֵּ֤הֿ מַלְכֵּךְ֙ יָ֣בֿוֹא לָ֔ךְֿ צַדִּ֥יק וְנוֹשָׁ֖ע ה֑וּא
עָנִי֙ וְרֹכֵֿ֣בֿ עַל־חֲמ֔וֹר וְעַל־עַ֖יִר בֶּן־אֲתֹֿנֽוֹתֿ׃​

Be very happy, daughter of Tziyyοn—shout [for joy], daughter of Y'rushala´im!
See, your king is coming to you: he is just and ‘saved’!
a humble [man], riding on a donkey—the offspring of atοnοt [female donkeys]. (Z'charyahu 9:9)

Yeshua (יְשׁוּעָה) is the Hebrew name for Jesus, and it means "Yahweh saves" or "salvation". It's a late form of the Hebrew name "Yehoshua" (Joshua)

No, it isn’t. יְשׁוּעׇה y'shu`AH (accented on the last syllable) is a feminine [common] noun. Surely you meant the male personal name יֵשׁוּעַ yeSHU`a (accented on the penultimate syllable), an Aramaic short form of יְהוֺשֻׁעַ y'hoSHU`a, popular during the Babylonian exile. The Hebrew ‘late form’ of יְהוֺשֻׁעַ y'hoSHU`a is יֵשׁו YEshu.

Think about it, how can we define what being “saved” is without the existence of something out there which causes us to need saving
from Gods wrath.

In the Bible Israel is shown doing most the sinning

The verb לְהוֺשִׁיעַ l'hοshi`a (to ‘save’) and the associated nouns יְשׁוּעׇה y'shu`ah (‘salvation’) and מוֺשִׁיעַ moshi`a (a ‘savior’) are never used in the sense of ‘saved from sin’.

ISRAEL = the suffering servant
Jesus = the suffering servant

That’s why we must “Take up our cross” to follow him.

You “take up your cross” everyday living as an orthodox Jew

With the full permission of the Talmud, I may tell anyone like you that he should שַׁקְלֵיהּ לָעֲבוֺדָה זָרָה וְאַנְּחֵיהּ בְּשִׁי"ן־תָּי"ו שֶׁלּוֺ ‘take his idol and shove it up his backside!’

What about Abraham and his offspring? Aren’t we all mixed after all?

וְאַתָּה֙ יִשְׂרָאֵ֣ל עַבְֿדִּ֔י יַֽעֲקֹ֖בֿ אֲשֶׁ֣ר בְּחַרְתִּ֑יךָֿ זֶ֖רַע אַבְֿרָהָ֥ם אֹֽהֲבִֽֿי׃ אֲשֶׁ֤ר הֶֽחֱזַקְתִּ֨יךָ֙ מִקְצ֣וֹתֿ הָאָ֔רֶץ וּמֵֽאֲצִילֶ֖יהָֿ קְרָאֿתִֿ֑יךָֿ וָאֹ֤מַר לְךָ֙ עַבְֿדִּי־אַ֔תָּהֿ בְּחַרְתִּ֖יךָֿ וְלֹ֥א מְאַסְתִּֽיךָֿ׃​

But you, My servant Yisra´el—Ya`aḳοv, whom I have chosen—My beloved Avraham’s zera` [descendants]! I will grab you back from the ends of the Earth and separate you from among its nobles; I will say to you, ‘You are My servant! I chose you and I never rejected you!’ (Y'sha`yahu 41:8-9)

This passage gives Gοd’s own definition of ‘Yisra´el’: the ‘zera` of His beloved Avraham’ (זֶרַע zera` denotes all an individual’s descendants, considered together as a group). But who are ‘Avraham’s descendants’? After all, Gοd did tell him (B'reshyt 17:4,5) that he was going to be אַבֿ הֲמוֹן גּוֹיִם av hamοn gοyyim (‘father of a multitude of nations’)!

However, B'reshіt 21:12b states explicitly that

...כִּ֣י בְֿיִצְחָ֔ק יִקָּרֵ֥א לְךָֿ֖ זָֽרַע​

...[your descendants] through Yitzħaḳ will be considered to be your ‘zera`’.

—a promise that is backed by

וַיֹּ֣אֿמֶר אֱלֹקִ֗ים אֲבָֿל֙ שָׂרָ֣הֿ אִשְׁתְּךָ֗ יֹלֶ֤דֶֿתֿ לְךָ֙ בֵּ֔ן וְקָרָ֥אֿתָֿ אֶתֿ־שְׁמ֖וֹ יִצְחָ֑ק וַֽהֲקִֽמֹתִ֨י אֶתֿ־בְּרִיתִֿ֥י אִתּ֛וֹ לִבְֿרִ֥יתֿ עוֹלָ֖ם לְזַרְע֥וֹ אַֽחֲרָֽיו׃
∙ ∙ ∙
וְאֶתֿ־בְּרִיתִֿ֖י אָקִ֣ים אֶתֿ־יִצְחָ֑ק אֲשֶׁר֩ תֵּלֵ֨דֿ לְךָֿ֤ שָׂרָה֙ לַמּוֹעֵ֣דֿ הַזֶּ֔הֿ בַּשָּׁנָ֖הֿ הָֽאַחֶֽרֶתֿ׃ ​

17Then Gοd said, ‘But, your wife Sarah is giving birth to a son for you; you will name him Yitzħaḳ and I shall establish My b'rit [agreement, ‘covenant’] with him—it will be a permanent b'rit for all his zera` [descendants] after him . . .
19I shall establish My b'rit with Yitzħaḳ, whom Sarah will give birth to for you at this time next year.’ (B'reshіt 17:19,21)

 

[DoubleClutch]

The promised ‘king’ (messiah) foretold in the Prophets is not going to do any ‘saving’ but is himself described as being ‘saved’.



No, it isn’t. יְשׁוּעׇה y'shu`AH (accented on the last syllable) is a feminine [common] noun. Surely you meant the male personal name יֵשׁוּעַ yeSHU`a (accented on the penultimate syllable), an Aramaic short form of יְהוֺשֻׁעַ y'hoSHU`a, popular during the Babylonian exile. The Hebrew ‘late form’ of יְהוֺשֻׁעַ y'hoSHU`a is יֵשׁו YEshu.


The verb לְהוֺשִׁיעַ l'hοshi`a (to ‘save’) and the associated nouns יְשׁוּעׇה y'shu`ah (‘salvation’) and מוֺשִׁיעַ moshi`a (a ‘savior’) are never used in the sense of ‘saved from sin’.


With the full permission of the Talmud, I may tell anyone like you that he should שַׁקְלֵיהּ לָעֲבוֺדָה זָרָה וְאַנְּחֵיהּ בְּשִׁי"ן־תָּי"ו שֶׁלּוֺ ‘take his idol and shove it up his backside!’

1. It depends how you understand it.

Christians might look at Jesus differently than a Jew

But the CONCEPT is the same back then with Israel as it is NOW with believers in the God of Israel through his self proclaimed SON Jesus Christ

Did they not mock Jesus and call him the “King of Jews”?

Anywho…..

As a Jew, the promised King is something you believe in, it gives you hope. I know this. It reminds you of Gods promise yet to be fulfilled for you obviously

Your belief in the messiah = you trust and believe in God

So Jesus’ redemptive nature (dying on the cross) for Christians is rooted in belief/understanding the CONCEPT

A concept we see in the Torah sacrifices.

God does the saving as you pointed out but we still need something to believe in or understand how God works. (His mercy and justice)

We play are part. Because let me ask:

Will God save anyone who doesn’t want to be “saved” or REFUSES to believe (just like Pharaoh @MMS )?

The power is in BELIEF and I know you believe this as it is possibly the greatest lesson shown in the TORAH

Freedom is in believing in GOD and trusting his word

This Freedom MUSLIMS don’t have. Only ISRAEL and followers of Jesus have this promise/guarantee

We have assurance of Salvation based on FAITH

And of course we also have teachings of Jesus which state:

Mark 10:45. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

^ take that how you want

2. All internet sources are clear on what Jesus name means. Anyone can look this up.

It has to do with God saving or God salvation.
I’m not sure how you interpret it


3. It’s not about being Saved from “SIN”. It’s about becoming HOLY

We never stop sinning or become perfect as humans

Saved is about being FORGIVEN

It’s about Gods MERCY

HOW DO YOU DEFINE “SAVED”?

If I look the Bible I see God saving ISRAEL on multiple occasions via his MERCY and always offering his FORGIVENESS despite how disobedient the children of Israel are.

“Saved” is a process. It’s almost like unlimited & unconditional FAVOR in the eyes of God.

 

[MMS]

Will God save anyone who doesn’t want to be “saved” or REFUSES to believe (just like Pharaoh @MMS )?

Genesis 44:16-18

16 And Judah said, What shall we say unto my lord? what shall we speak? or how shall we clear ourselves? God hath found out the iniquity of thy servants: behold, we are my lord's servants, both we, and he also with whom the cup is found.

17 And he said, God forbid that I should do so: but the man in whose hand the cup is found, he shall be my servant; and as for you, get you up in peace unto your father.

18 Then Judah came near unto him, and said, Oh my lord, let thy servant, I pray thee, speak a word in my lord's ears, and let not thine anger burn against thy servant: for thou art even as Pharaoh.

“Saved” is a process. It’s almost like unlimited & unconditional FAVOR in the eyes of God.

Maahes - Wikipedia

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Spoiler

Genesis 6:8 Hebrew Text Analysis

Pray to a redbone named 'NUT' Brehgyptians

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nut_(goddess)

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[Koichos]

1. It depends how you understand it.

Christians might look at Jesus differently than a Jew

But the CONCEPT is the same back then with Israel as it is NOW with believers in the God of Israel through his self proclaimed SON Jesus Christ

Did they not mock Jesus and call him the “King of Jews”?

Indeed they did. Perhaps you have forgotten (or were never aware of) the long history in Judaism of mocking the worthless godlings that are venerated, worshiped and prayed to by idolaters; your unholy trio of non-gods are no different. Consider Eliyyahu HaNavi’s showdown with the Ba`al and its prophets where he openly mocks their impotence:

וַיְהִ֨י בַֿצָּֽהֳרַ֜יִם וַיְהַתֵּ֧ל בָּהֶ֣ם אֵֽלִיָּ֗הוּ וַיֹּ֨אֿמֶר֙ קִרְא֤וּ בְֿקֽוֹל־גָּדֿוֹל֙ כִּֽי־אֱלֹהִ֣ים ה֔וּא כִּֽי־שִׂ֧יחַ וְכִֽֿי־שִׂ֛יגֿ ל֖וֹ וְכִֽֿי־דֶֿ֣רֶךְֿ ל֑וֹ אוּלַ֛י יָשֵׁ֥ן ה֖וּא וְיִקָֽץ׃​

...and, round about midday, Eliyyahu began taunting them: ‘Shout louder! he is a god, is he not? perhaps he is chatting, or chasing [his enemies], or he might be out for a stroll; he could even be asleep and you will have to wake him up!’ (M'lachim Part I 18:27)

Will God save anyone who doesn’t want to be “saved” or REFUSES to believe (just like Pharaoh @MMS )?

There is a time and a place for prayer but ‘God helps him who helps himself’.

We have assurance of Salvation based on FAITH

And of course we also have teachings of Jesus which state:

Mark 10:45. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

^ take that how you want

אַל־תִּבְֿטְח֥וּ בִֿנְדִֿיבִֿ֑ים בְּבֶֿן־אָדָ֓ם ׀
שֶׁ֤אֵ֖ין ל֥וֹ תְֿשׁוּעָֽהֿ׃
תֵּצֵ֣א ר֭וּחוֹ יָשֻׁ֣בֿ לְאַדְֿמָתֿ֑וֹ
בַּיּ֥וֹם הַ֝ה֗וּא אָֽבְֿדֿ֥וּ עֶשְׁתֹּֽנֹתָֽֿיו׃
אַשְׁרֵ֗י שֶׁ֤אֵ֣ל יַֽעֲקֹ֣בֿ בְּעֶזְר֑וֹ
שִׂ֝בְֿר֗וֹ עַל־יְיָ֥ אֱלֹקָֽיו׃​

3Do not rely on any ‘princes’ nor a ‘son of man’—
in whom there is no ‘salvation’!
4When his ru'aħ [‘spirit’] departs he will turn back into [his] dust—
that very day all his schemes will be brought to naught!
5[In contrast,] how fortunate is whoever has Ya`aḳοv’s Gοd as his Helper—
his hope depends [solely] on Adοnai, his Gοd. (Tillim 146:3-5)

2. All internet sources are clear on what Jesus name means. Anyone can look this up.

It has to do with God saving or God salvation.
I’m not sure how you interpret it

What, pray tell, ‘internet sources’ write that יְשׁוּעָה - a feminine COMMON noun - is your godling’s NAME? I could use a good laugh.

3. It’s not about being Saved from “SIN”. It’s about becoming HOLY

God Himself describes Yisra´el as a גּוֹי קָדוֹשׁ gοy ḳadοsh (a ‘holy [i.e., ‘set-apart’] nation’) in Sh'mοt 19:6. And in the haḳdamah (‘preface’) to the Mahara"l of Prague’s ‘B´er HaGοlah’, the Mahara"l notes that the most intense ḳ'dushshah (‘holiness’) is invariably expressed in the smallest, or most condensed, manifestation in this world. Therefore the smaller the area of the Beit HaMiḳdash (‘Holy Temple’), the greater its level of ḳ'dushshah. So, too, Yisra´el, as the ‘gοy ḳadοsh’, has the smallest manifestation in this world.

We never stop sinning or become perfect as humans

Saved is about being FORGIVEN

It’s about Gods MERCY

HOW DO YOU DEFINE “SAVED”?

If I look the Bible I see God saving ISRAEL on multiple occasions via his MERCY and always offering his FORGIVENESS despite how disobedient the children of Israel are.

“Saved” is a process. It’s almost like unlimited & unconditional FAVOR in the eyes of God.

Would you care to show us (using the associated Hebrew terms) how the verb ‘save’ and nouns ‘savior’, ‘salvation’ are used in the Tana"ch?

 

[DoubleClutch]

Indeed they did. Perhaps you have forgotten (or were never aware of) the long history in Judaism of mocking the worthless godlings that are venerated, worshiped and prayed to by idolaters; your unholy trio of non-gods are no different. Consider Eliyyahu HaNavi’s showdown with the Ba`al and its prophets where he openly mocks their impotence:


There is a time and a place for prayer but ‘God helps him who helps himself’.




What, pray tell, ‘internet sources’ write that יְשׁוּעָה - a feminine COMMON noun - is your godling’s NAME? I could use a good laugh.


God Himself describes Yisra´el as a גּוֹי קָדוֹשׁ gοy ḳadοsh (a ‘holy [i.e., ‘set-apart’] nation’) in Sh'mοt 19:6. And in the haḳdamah (‘preface’) to the Mahara"l of Prague’s ‘B´er HaGοlah’, the Mahara"l notes that the most intense ḳ'dushshah (‘holiness’) is invariably expressed in the smallest, or most condensed, manifestation in this world. Therefore the smaller the area of the Beit HaMiḳdash (‘Holy Temple’), the greater its level of ḳ'dushshah. So, too, Yisra´el, as the ‘gοy ḳadοsh’, has the smallest manifestation in this world.


Would you care to show us (using the associated Hebrew terms) how the verb ‘save’ and nouns ‘savior’, ‘salvation’ are used in the Tana"ch?

Kind of surprised to be honest

I see we are basically on the same page on most ideas

And I don’t believe in a “God TRIO”

I keep telling you I believe in the God of Abraham
And the God that walked with Adam in the garden of Eden


Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day.

^ this is why our hope rests on the resurrection

Question: when the messiah comes according to your beliefs will he be a “son of man” and will he die or will he live forever?

In the Torah I see Israel or Prophets “saved” on many occasions

Im no expert but the story of Sodom and Gomorrah comes to mind

God saving from his wrath

Also God saving Noah and his family

God spares them from Judgement

And maybe God saving Israel from a life or slavery in Egypt

God saving them from bondage

All these things are the results of sin/disobedience against God

Do you see these stories any differently?

If you really believe the Bible, how do you explain why historically Jewish people have had so many enemies, suffered and lost so many battles at the hands of NON JEWS

Why do Muslims want to “wipe Israel off the face of the earth”?

 

[Koichos]

Kind of surprised to be honest

I see we are basically on the same page on most ideas

And I don’t believe in a “God TRIO”

I keep telling you I believe in the God of Abraham
And the God that walked with Adam in the garden of Eden

The verb מִתְהַלֵךְ mit'hallech in B'reshіt 3:8 is in בִּנְיַן הִתְפַּעֵל binyan hitpa`el (the ‘reflexive conjugation’) of verbal root הלך, ‘to go’, and literally means ‘moving itself about’. The subject of this verb is קוֹל יְיָ אֱלֹקִים ḳοl adοnai elοhim (‘the sound of Adonai-God’). It does not say God was ‘moving about’, only that ‘the sound of Him’ was doing so.

...וַֽיִּשְׁמְע֞וּ אֶתֿ־ק֨וֹל יְיָ֧ אֱלֹקִ֛ים מִתְֿהַלֵּ֥ךְֿ בַּגָּ֖ן​

8Then they heard the sound of Adοnai-Gοd [which was] moving about in the Garden...

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וַיֹּ֕אֿמֶר אֶתֿ־קֹֽלְךָֿ֥ שָׁמַ֖עְתִּי בַּגָּ֑ן וָֽאִירָ֛א כִּי־עֵירֹ֥ם אָנֹ֖כִֿי וָאֵֽחָבֵֽֿא׃​

10[the adam] said, ‘I heard the sound of You in the Garden and I was scared because I am naked, so I hid’.

Interestingly, in his Targum (on verse 10), Onḳ'lοs errs on the side of caution and specifically obviates the anthropomorphism should the reader get the wrong idea.

וַאֲמַר יָת קָל מֵימְרָך שְׁמַעִית בְּגִינְּתָא וּדחֵילִית אֲרֵי עַרטִלַּי אֲנָא וְאִטְּמַרִית׃​

10[the adam] said, ‘I heard the sound of Your ‘word’ in the Garden and I was scared because I am naked, so I hid’.

Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day.

^ this is why our hope rests on the resurrection

The messiah is to bring about the resurrection of ‘those who are sleeping in the dusty ground’ (Daniyyel 12:2). So it follows that anyone who is resurrected is not the messiah.

Question: when the messiah comes according to your beliefs will he be a “son of man” and will he die or will he live forever?

I don’t quite understand your question, given that the Hebrew phrase בֶּן אׇדׇם ben adam (literally, ‘a son/descendant of Adam’) just means a person or a human being. If you ever visit Erretz Yisra´el you are likely to hear it rather frequently because it is much used in the vernacular for a ‘person’, a ‘guy’, or a ‘chap’ - it means no more than this.

If you really believe the Bible, how do you explain why historically Jewish people have had so many enemies, suffered and lost so many battles at the hands of NON JEWS

Yisra´el has suffered, and continues to suffer, through the wrongdoings of the wicked nations (Y'sha`yahu 52:13-53:12).

Why do Muslims want to “wipe Israel off the face of the earth”?

`Amaleḳ is expressed through various peoples, groups, and organizations. Don’t rack your brain trying to understand it.

 

[MMS]

`Amaleḳ is expressed through various peoples, groups, and organizations. Don’t rack your brain trying to understand it.

the world the ink sees on paper

 

[DoubleClutch]

I guess I was right @Koichos

 

[Koichos]

I guess I was right @Koichos

Yessir.

But we actually have two different בְּרָכוֺת b'rachοt (‘blessings’) for fruit, with only the first of these being shown in the video:

1. בָּאַ"יְ אֱמֶ"הָ... בּוֺרֵא פְּרִי הָעֵץ baruch... bοrë p'ri ha`etz (‘Blessed is... the One who creates the tree's fruit’): recited before eating any fruit that grew on a tree (provided the perennial stem does not die down to the ground every year as is the case, for example, with the banana plant);
2. בָּאַ"יְ אֱמֶ"הָ... בּוֺרֵא פְּרִי הָאֲדָמָה baruch... bοrë p'ri ha´adamah (‘Blessed is... the One who creates the ground’s fruit’): recited before eating anything else that grows from the ground, that is not included in the other four categories.

And one special blessing for wine:

• בָּאַ"יְ אֱמֶ"הָ... בּוֺרֵא פְּרִי הַגָּפֶן baruch... bοrë p'ri hagafen (‘Blessed is... the One who creates the vine’s fruit’): recited before drinking any beverage made from the juice of grapes (alcoholic or not), but not before eating actual grapes.

There are five specific categories of food that have their own, special blessings that are recited before they are eaten (including the 3 above):

1. בָּאַ"יְ אֱמֶ"הָ... הַמּוֺצִיא לֶחֶם מִן הָאָרֶץ baruch... hamοtzi lehem min ha´aretz (‘Blessed is... the One who brings bread [food] out of the ground’): recited before eating ‘bread’ (which has a very specific definition and includes matzzah);
2. בָּאַ"יְ אֱמֶ"הָ... בּוֺרֵא מִינֵי מְזוֺנוֺת baruch... bοrë minei m'zοnοt (‘Blessed is... the One who creates different kinds of foodstuffs’): recited before eating cookies, cake, and all other kinds of baked dough that are not considered ‘bread’ under the previous definition.

A sixth, very general blessing is recited before eating or drinking any other foodstuffs that are not included under the first five:

• בָּאַ"יְ אֱמֶ"הָ... שֶׁהַכֺּל נִהְיֶה בִּדְבָרוֺ baruch... shehakοl nihyeh bidvarο (‘Blessed is... the One that everything exists by His command’): recited before eating anything that does not grow from the ground (including mushrooms) or before drinking any beverage (apart from wine).