Does Charles Barkley realize he was small?

[KOBE]

gil-scott im not reading all this, but you know as well as i do that offensive boards are a large part of the warriors game and rodman would factor heavily into that. they get a lot of offensive boards from long threes and honestly i couldn't see them snatching up nearly as many with rodman out there snatching them up. :kobeshrug:

and i also wouldn't compare thompson's offensive board capabilities to rodman's either. he was benefited by being left wide open as teams rotated over to lebron/kyrie when they drove or created space, which is why they also were able to find him wide open for easy dunks. rodman was just a plain beast on the boards, open or not.

 

[Gangstar8]

Nikkas stay hating on the warriors brehs, they would sweep that bulls team, and i am a lkers fan

 

[Gallo]

But that's all he really dominated them in. Rodman dominating Draymond on the glass doesn't mean shyt when Draymond would take him to school in every other facet of the game.

-rodman dominated rebounding percentage more than anyone has ever dominated any major stat
-we can expect someone of rodman's caliber to show up once every 400 years
-even the second best rebounder in nba history, was not even close to being in rodman's league
-rodman has the highest MOV of any player since 1986
-rodman's teams were SIGNIFICANTLY better offensively WITH him in the lineup, even after DISCOUNTING his offensive rebounding (unbelievable)
-rodman has the greatest win percentage differential in nba history (even more incredible since this is impossible to achieve when you play on already great teams)
-rodman's x-factor (difference between MOV-predicted and actual win percentage differential) greater than anyone who ever played
-the top 5% of players with the best differentials make the HOF. depending on which differential used, rodman is in the 98th to 99.98th percentile
-his differentials are statistically significant well beyond the 99th percentile of confidence.
-depending on the metric, rodman is the 2nd to 8th greatest player ever
-his average metrics across the board rank second only to shaq
-somehow, his advanced stats suggest he is even more valuable than his already other-worldly win differentials indicate
-focusing on defense and rebounding made rodman infinitely more valuable than he would be if he welcomed himself to scoring too, no matter how many points he scored
-dennis rodman is probably more valuable than michael jordan; at worst he is equally as valuable

 

[KOBE]

how you gonna start out by saying a guy only comes once in every 400 years and finish off by saying rodman was "probably" more valuable than michael jordan and expect to be taken seriously?

 

[DIMES]

Don't forget this game...Ironically against the Warriors


People forget how good Chuck was.Honestly, might be the most unique player I ever saw

Cot damn legit he would be the best player in the game rite now behind Lebron

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

gil-scott im not reading all this, but you know as well as i do that offensive boards are a large part of the warriors game and rodman would factor heavily into that. they get a lot of offensive boards from long threes and honestly i couldn't see them snatching up nearly as many with rodman out there snatching them up. :kobeshrug:

You also have to factor in that if Rodman's defending Draymond out by the 3-pt line, he will be pulled away from the basket. What's he going to do - just leave Draymond open and hover around the hoop for rebounds all the time? If he's out there defending Draymond it gives less opportunities to grab rebounds. Not only that but if he's helping on defense on perimeter players in PnR situations and the Warriors put up 3-pt shots - he's also away from the basket to grab rebounds.

and i also wouldn't compare thompson's offensive board capabilities to rodman's either. he was benefited by being left wide open as teams rotated over to lebron/kyrie when they drove or created space, which is why they also were able to find him wide open for easy dunks. rodman was just a plain beast on the boards, open or not.

And Rodman never benefitted from being left open on offense when teams focussed on Jordan and Pippen (not to mention Kyrie only played one game in the Finals)? I don't know if you watched those mid/late 90s Bulls teams or not but teams used to leave Rodman open all the time. Rodman used to sacrifice defensive assignments, so he could stay closer to the basket to grab rebounds. shyt he even used to grab uncontested rebounds off his own teammates. Tex Winter openly criticized Rodman for looking to grab rebounds instead of staying on his man and playing defense, in the pursuit of getting rebound titles.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

-rodman dominated rebounding percentage more than anyone has ever dominated any major stat
-we can expect someone of rodman's caliber to show up once every 400 years
-even the second best rebounder in nba history, was not even close to being in rodman's league
-rodman has the highest MOV of any player since 1986
-rodman's teams were SIGNIFICANTLY better offensively WITH him in the lineup, even after DISCOUNTING his offensive rebounding (unbelievable)
-rodman has the greatest win percentage differential in nba history (even more incredible since this is impossible to achieve when you play on already great teams)
-rodman's x-factor (difference between MOV-predicted and actual win percentage differential) greater than anyone who ever played
-the top 5% of players with the best differentials make the HOF. depending on which differential used, rodman is in the 98th to 99.98th percentile
-his differentials are statistically significant well beyond the 99th percentile of confidence.
-depending on the metric, rodman is the 2nd to 8th greatest player ever
-his average metrics across the board rank second only to shaq
-somehow, his advanced stats suggest he is even more valuable than his already other-worldly win differentials indicate
-focusing on defense and rebounding made rodman infinitely more valuable than he would be if he welcomed himself to scoring too, no matter how many points he scored
-dennis rodman is probably more valuable than michael jordan; at worst he is equally as valuable

Slap yourself for stealing this from -

Advanced Stats and Dennis Rodman - RealGM
The Case for Dennis Rodman: Guide

 

[Gallo]

Slap yourself for stealing this from -

Advanced Stats and Dennis Rodman - RealGM
The Case for Dennis Rodman: Guide

Actually
The Case for Dennis Rodman: Guide

It would do you good to read it. Then you wouldn't make any more asinine statements like "I think you're overvaluing Rodman's rebounding ability."

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Slap yourself for stealing this from -

Advanced Stats and Dennis Rodman - RealGM
The Case for Dennis Rodman: Guide

Actually
The Case for Dennis Rodman: Guide

It would do you good to read it. Then you wouldn't make any more asinine statements like "I think you're overvaluing Rodman's rebounding ability."

That's the EXACT same link I posted. Next time make your own arguments instead of passing off somebody else's as your own.

 

[Gallo]

That's the EXACT same link I posted. Next time make your own arguments instead of passing off somebody else's as your own.

"I think you're overvaluing Rodman's rebounding ability." - Gil Scott-Heroin

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

"I think you're overvaluing Rodman's rebounding ability." - Gil Scott-Heroin

Yes in the context of the conversation, dude was overvaluing Rodman's rebounding ability. It would pay for you to read before posting nonsense. Rodman only averaged 4-5 offensive rebounds during his time in Chicago (playoffs) - Draymond would still have the opportunity to grab defensive rebounds or get a pass from one of his teammates to start off the fast break. Dude made it seem like Draymond wouldn't be able to initiate the offense on a fastbreak, because he wouldn't get defensive rebounds.

 

[Gallo]

Yes in the context of the conversation, dude was overvaluing Rodman's rebounding ability. It would pay for you to read before posting nonsense. Rodman only averaged 4-5 offensive rebounds during his time in Chicago (playoffs) - Draymond would still have the opportunity to grab defensive rebounds or get a pass from one of his teammates to start off the fast break. Dude made it seem like Draymond wouldn't be able to initiate the offense because he wouldn't get defensive rebounds.

"I think you're overvaluing Jordans scoring ability." - Gil Scott-Heroin
"I think you're overvaluing Tom Bradys passing ability." - Gil Scott-Heroin
"I think you're overvaluing Bonds homerun hitting ability." - Gil Scott-Heroin

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

"I think you're overvaluing Jordans scoring ability." - Gil Scott-Heroin
"I think you're overvaluing Tom Bradys passing ability." - Gil Scott-Heroin
"I think you're overvaluing Bonds homerun hitting ability." - Gil Scott-Heroin

This is corny.

If a dude says Jordan can average 70 ppg in today's league - isn't that overvaluing Jordan's scoring ability?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Originalman are you going to provide some input or are you just going to hide in the shadows?

 

[Gallo]

This is corny.

If a dude says Jordan can average 70 ppg in today's league - isn't that overvaluing Jordan's scoring ability?

"Honestly there isn't that much difference in their rebounding ability:" Gil Scott-Heroin comparing Rodmans and Thompsons rebounding ability