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Does Charles Barkley realize he was small?
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Actually he didn't have a triple double in that game - two assists got taken off him.
The point is how do you expect to be taken seriously when you brought up ONE regular season game where the Warriors lost (their first loss of the season) - you're speaking as if that '75 Warriors squad didn't lose at all (they were 48-34 in the regular season). Nevermind the fact that the Warriors were on a 24-game win streak, and were out on their feet against the Bucks in Milwaukee after travelling from a double-overtime game in Boston the night before.
The fact that people think a Warriors team with 1 title would beat an all-time great team like that 70 win Bulls team shows you how little respect people today have for earlier generations.
That Bulls team lost just 3 games during the entire playoffs.
Just straight disrespect and lack of basketball history.
It's disgusting.
And they just hide behind that tired "old guys hating" excuse.
If these 25-1 Warriors team win 70 and take the chip, yall can revisit the debate then.
That Bulls team lost just 3 games during the entire playoffs.
Just straight disrespect and lack of basketball history.
It's disgusting.
And they just hide behind that tired "old guys hating" excuse.
If these 25-1 Warriors team win 70 and take the chip, yall can revisit the debate then.
This is a terrible argument.
Coming from a guy who just attacks peripheral points but never makes any arguments himself?
I'm not terribly concerned with any of your opinions.
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How the fukk would you know when you only visit this side of the board occasionally?
sir charles really hate them GS nikkas. like why do you hate them so much? is it the rings? is it cause you no nikkas 
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?I was referring more to TT on Draymond vs. Rodman on Draymond, but yeah I can see you're point about him switching on guards. I mean he did get ate the f*ck up by Jeff Teague, but he's definitely one of the better big men in the league at it.
This thread is on Barkley's comments, which he made about this team THIS SEASON.
Honestly I just tune Barkley out at this point.
Its nonsense to say the Bulls would "kill" this Warriors teams, especially with his reasoning. I think its a close 6/7 game series and I give the edge to the team with more experience and the GOAT.
I don't think you can separate what happened last year from this year's squad. Steph, Barnes and Green are all playing at a level above anything they've done previously. Now its possible they all just flipped the switch, but I'd like to see them win at least one playoff series before I consider what we're currently seeing the new "normal".
But if you want to talk about the Warriors right now, then no Barnes.
Don't forget TT killed GSW on the offensive glass and Rodman even at 34 was better than him in that area.
Even with Draymond's improvement this year, I think you're overstating his offensive prowess. He's not Anthony Davis. I could be convinced he has a slight advantage on Rodman, but he's not going to dominate him on that end. Rodman still had to face Kemp, Barkley and a young Webber in those days, all with similar skillsets to Draymond.
Motherfukkers shot 64 free throwsPlease don't compare Draymomd to Barkley... Chuck put on two of the goat playoff performances I've ever seen as a kid
54 points & 14 rebounds vs the Bulls in the 1993 Finals, I believe game 3 or 4..
44 points and 25 rebounds vs the Sonics Game 7 WCF (93')
Basketball is a skill sport, this isn't like football or hockey where a 1970s team would get destroyed by a modern team based on power and speed. For exampe just look at Wilt from 50 years ago and what he could do i.e his vertical leap....try to tell this dude wouldn't give any nba team fits in 2015. Best center easily if he was teleported to a 2016 nba team as a random signing
Magic and bird would dominate even more if they played now instead of the 80s.
Havlicek had lungs twice the size of the average human. He could play 48 minutes no problem...he'd be a huge star today too.
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Honestly there isn't that much difference in their rebounding ability:
Thompson averaged 4.4 offensive rebounds in 36 minutes last postseason
Rodman averaged 5.4 offensive rebounds in 34 minutes in the 95/96 postseason
Rodman averaged 3.1 offensive rebounds in 28 minutes in the 96/97 postseason
Rodman averaged 4.7 offensive rebounds in 34 minutes in the 97/98 postseason
Like I mentioned earlier - it isn't as if Draymond is going to average 20 ppg against Rodman, but he'd definitely have his way with him. He isn't averaging 14 ppg, 8.8 rebounds and 7.1 assists for nothing this season - Rodman will limit his impact on the boards but that's about it.
"Like is Rodman going to stop him from shooting 3s? Is Rodman going to stop him from running on the fast break? Is Rodman going to stop him from running the offense? Is Rodman going to him from driving and finishing at the rim? Is Rodman going to stop him from driving and finding an open teammate?"
Good point, but don't forget Bulls were playing at a much slower pace back then. Around 90 in the regular season in those years, I'm guessing even lower in the playoffs. Cavs were at 94 in the Finals.
Like I mentioned earlier - it isn't as if Draymond is going to average 20 ppg against Rodman, but he'd definitely have his way with him.
Limiting his impact on boards directly impacts those other numbers though, limits his transitions points/assists.
I don't think its about "stopping" Dre necessarily. Dray had a pretty bad playoff when you look at.
12 8 and 4 on 38% shooting (25% from 3) against Memphis when I'm guessing Zach was on him? Didn't watch much of that series.
14 12 and 6 on 43% shooting (20% from 3) against the Rockets against the ghost of Josh Smith and Terrence Jones (figure Dwight was on him at times too.
13 8 and 5 in the Finals on 38% shooting (26% from 3) in the Finals against (Moz, TT and Bron).
Looks like he worn down at the end of the year. That's why I'm not sure his current line of 14 9 and 8 on 46% shooting/38% from 3 (all career highs) is sustainable.
At any rate while TT is a good/great? defender none of the other guys he faced in the previous 2 rounds are and I'm pretty sure none of them are as good as Rodman on the Bulls however past his prime he may have been.
TBF he did put in work against the Pelicans, 15 13 and 6 on 46% shooting 35% from 3
, though I'm not sure how often AD was matched up on him defensively. They didn't use their killer small ball lineup much in that series.It would be really interesting to see how Phil matched up with that lineup. Conceivably he could've gone Pip at the 5, and put Rodman on Iggy and concede the jump shot.
That's pretty much what the Cavs did.I know that sounds like a recipe for Iggy getting 30, but that's probably better than Steph and Klay going for 25 on wide open 3s.
I'm legit pissed I'll never see this matchup now.
I think you're overvaluing Rodman's rebounding ability. If he only averages 4-5 offensive rebounds a game in a series - that's only 4-5 possessions he takes away from the Warriors as a whole. It isn't going to be as if every one of those rebounds he will be taking away from Draymond - it could be any Warriors player that's around the vicinity of the basket. Draymond will still have roughly the same opportunities he does every game to grab a board and run the fast break, and he still will have the opportunity to be close by when Ezeli/Bogut/Barnes grabs a rebound to then take a pass and run the floor. Rodman isn't going to stop that. Draymond will always have opportunities to initiate the fast break either from team rebounds or his own rebounds.
Well see the problem with this is, in what situation are we talking about Rodman and Draymond facing off? Is is it RIGHT NOW? Is it during the playoffs? When? Even despite this being all hypothetical, it's a bit dishonest on your part if you're going to take Draymond at his worst when he's run down over the course of a season. With Barnes returning soon, his numbers will drop, but I don't see them dropping because he isn't capable of filling up the box score. He has a relentless motor and involves himself in pretty much every play (giving himself every opportunity to put up balanced stats across the board) - his playmaking and ability to take it to the rim are certainly noticeable improvements from last season. The confidence in his shooting too.I don't think its about "stopping" Dre necessarily. Dray had a pretty bad playoff when you look at.
12 8 and 4 on 38% shooting (25% from 3) against Memphis when I'm guessing Zach was on him? Didn't watch much of that series.
14 12 and 6 on 43% shooting (20% from 3) against the Rockets against the ghost of Josh Smith and Terrence Jones (figure Dwight was on him at times too.
13 8 and 5 in the Finals on 38% shooting (26% from 3) in the Finals against (Moz, TT and Bron).
Looks like he worn down at the end of the year. That's why I'm not sure his current line of 14 9 and 8 on 46% shooting/38% from 3 (all career highs) is sustainable.
TT is more capable of defending this Warriors team and 3-pt orientated offenses than the Bulls' version of Rodman. The Warriors don't really have a post scorer for Rodman to defend, so besides grabbing rebounds he will be near-worthless. He isn't circling around the perimeter with help defense like he did during his time in Detroit.
I honestly don't know what Phil would do. It'd probably take him at least three games to work it out - in that time the Warriors might have built a series lead that the Bulls would have a hard time coming back from. You'd need an all-time great defensive performance from Pippen to be the stand-in defensive anchor for the Bulls to win though - Rodman isn't chasing around and trappin' perimeter players all game long. You'd have to take into account that Pippen would probably be too drained on defense to play a starring role on offense.It would be really interesting to see how Phil matched up with that lineup. Conceivably he could've gone Pip at the 5, and put Rodman on Iggy and concede the jump shot.
I know that sounds like a recipe for Iggy getting 30, but that's probably better than Steph and Klay going for 25 on wide open 3s.
I'm legit pissed I'll never see this matchup now.
It's half the reason I have my doubts with the Spurs threatening this Warriors squad - Duncan and LMA aren't mobile enough to do what the Cavs did on the defensive end. Kawhi and Green are good defenders, but you need a big that's capable of trapping and hedging, and having the lateral quickness to switch on perimeter players to limit the Warriors offense. I mean shyt who on the Spurs starting lineup can stop Draymond for running wild?
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