Does anyone else see this as a flaw in The Dark Knight?

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Wherever you stand on this movie I really don't care. This is not a hate thread, this is a discussion thread.

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Midway through the film Joker reveals to Batman that he has no intention of killing him, that instead he prefers to keep him around for his own personal amusement. He even goes as far to say that a world without Batman would sound dull and boring.

Does the audience member benefit in any way knowing that the main character in a superhero film is never in any danger of dying by the hands of the main villain? I mean yea sure it's a movie we all know the bad guy isn't going to win, but doesn't that really lower the stakes? Am I the only one that has a problem with this?

Why would this so called "agent of chaos" want Batman around when he's literally the only person in Gotham that can foil his schemes? The only way chaos can exist is in the absence of order, so if Joker was really about that action and wanted to achieve just that he would absolutely aspire to KILL Batman and not just merely corrupt him. I mean what's his real agenda here, to "watch the world burn" or to fukk with Batman?

And really what makes for a better, scarier villain? Would you be half as afraid of ISIS if you knew they had absolutely no desire at all to kill anyone?

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What say you film room brehs?

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Last time I recalled (since someone tagged me to respond) is that the entire story arc revolves around Harvey Dent or, how Joker described it, his "ace in the hole". Also it is a film where the bad guy absolutely won. Batman didn't succeed an anything at all instead of making himself the villain in saving face to what happened to Harvey Dent and the movie ends with him being on the run. This was maybe the ONLY comic book superhero film in which the protagonists loses. There was no winners at all.
 

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It's also proposed by some that the Joker was actually THE protagonist rather than the ANTAGONIST. He was about liberation against the controls of authority. He single-handed dismantled the mob. And he spoke the truth that eventually foreshadowed what was going to happened in TDKR.
 

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Last time I recalled (since someone tagged me to respond) is that the entire story arc revolves around Harvey Dent or, how Joker described it, his "ace in the hole". Also it is a film where the bad guy absolutely won. Batman didn't succeed an anything at all instead of making himself the villain in saving face to what happened to Harvey Dent and the movie ends with him being on the run. This was maybe the ONLY comic book superhero film in which the protagonists loses. There was no winners at all.


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It's also proposed by some that the Joker was actually THE protagonist rather than the ANTAGONIST. He was about liberation against the controls of authority. He single-handed dismantled the mob. And he spoke the truth that eventually foreshadowed what was going to happened in TDKR.
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when you think about all the people he killed... none of them were "innocents". he kills a batman obsessed vigilante, a gangster, a cop, a mayor.
 

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Wherever you stand on this movie I really don't care. This is not a hate thread, this is a discussion thread.

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Midway through the film Joker reveals to Batman that he has no intention of killing him, that instead he prefers to keep him around for his own personal amusement. He even goes as far to say that a world without Batman would sound dull and boring.

Does the audience member benefit in any way knowing that the main character in a superhero film is never in any danger of dying by the hands of the main villain? I mean yea sure it's a movie we all know the bad guy isn't going to win, but doesn't that really lower the stakes? Am I the only one that has a problem with this?

Why would this so called "agent of chaos" want Batman around when he's literally the only person in Gotham that can foil his schemes? The only way chaos can exist is in the absence of order, so if Joker was really about that action and wanted to achieve just that he would absolutely aspire to KILL Batman and not just merely corrupt him. I mean what's his real agenda here, to "watch the world burn" or to fukk with Batman?

And really what makes for a better, scarier villain? Would you be half as afraid of ISIS if you knew they had absolutely no desire at all to kill anyone?

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What say you film room brehs?

:jbhmm:

Because he gets high off the power.... He enjoys watching people suffer. He wanted to kill him and leave him breathing..... Which he ultimately suceeded in doing when he switched the DA and killed his girl.
 

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Simple, whats more important? Whats more devastating to Bruce/Batman in reality? Losing his life? Or living knowing that he failed as a leader and protector of his city? Joker knew that this is the only way Batman would suffer, killing him would literally be "too easy" since a psychological death is much more powerful than a physical one. Thats why torture scenes in films are way more painful to watch than someone getting killed...
 
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Simple, whats more important? Whats more devastating to Bruce/Batman in reality? Losing his life? Or living knowing that he failed as a leader and protector of his city? Joker knew that this is the only way Batman would suffer, killing him would literally be "too easy" since a psychological death is much more powerful than a physical one.

but why did joker get in the game, to cause chaos and carnage or to fukk with batman. what would make him happier, gotham in shambles or batman in shambles.
 
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