Does anyone else feel like solo comic book films are suffering from having universe building?

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*Leave the stanning at the door*

This isn't about fox or marvel or DC.

From ASM2,to BVS to CW,all these comic films can't just be a self contained story anymore. They have to be something more.

But is it hurting the film's? Are they just becoming gimmicks?

I think so.

If you look at comics as a medium most of the greatest stories are self contained within their own hero's universe. But in film that's seemingly gone out the window. With Deadpools success I Garauntee fox has taken notice and once Singer leaves will be shoehorning in characters for the sole purpose of spin offs. Cough gambit cough.

It's not enough anymore just to be about the story and the hero. It has to contain other hero's and it has to be building towards something. It has taken all the suspense out of these films when you have the next 5 years laid out. They're now announcing which hero's are making appearances in each other's films years before. Before they even give you an idea of the plot.

I've said before that I enjoy having x men as its own franchise,and that most of the best spidey stories are self contained.

Stories can't even breath anymore. They've just become bridges to set pieces and the next film. There's few if any consequences just as a sneak peak to the next film.

Maybe it's just me. But. It's why after finishing DD season 2 I can firmly say that Marvel's Netflix shows are by far the best comic stories happening right now.

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Na, they are molding the movie business into something similar to comic books. Adventures happen but we all know the next issue is coming. It doesn't ruin comics.
A self contained movie is limiting and only leaves you 2 - 2.5 hours for character development/plot/action. Similar to the Netflix shows you have multiple hours of screen time to develop all those. Tony Stark character arc is epic, he has done a 180 since Ironman and it is all because of the various events that have happened throughout the MCU. It could never happen in one movie.
 

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Na, they are molding the movie business into something similar to comic books. Adventures happen but we all know the next issue is coming. It doesn't ruin comics.
A self contained movie is limiting and only leaves you 2 - 2.5 hours for character development/plot/action. Similar to the Netflix shows you have multiple hours of screen time to develop all those. Tony Stark character arc is epic, he has done a 180 since Ironman and it is all because of the various events that have happened throughout the MCU. It could never happen in one movie.
Uh. You can still have iron man have an arc without watering down his movies..iron man 2 was a piece of shyt because of all the boring ass universe building.

What's limiting is taking away from the main plot of a film so you can waste 10-20 minutes of a film building to something that never has a payoff anyway.
 

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Uh. You can still have iron man have an arc without watering down his movies..iron man 2 was a piece of shyt because of all the boring ass universe building.

What's limiting is taking away from the main plot of a film so you can waste 10-20 minutes of a film building to something that never has a payoff anyway.
A shorter less compelling arc. Going from cocky and not giving a fukk, to cocky but giving more a fukk, to traumatized by other worldly events, and then guilt ridden over your own actions, to fearful of the future due to a vision cannot happen effectively in one movie.
And it does have a payoff, just in a different movie. If you love Daredevil how can this be annoying? Is each episode self-contained? Do they add stuff to an episode to inform you about future ones? It can work and is working in these movies.
 

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A shorter less compelling arc. Going from cocky and not giving a fukk, to cocky but giving more a fukk, to traumatized by other worldly events, and then guilt ridden over your own actions, to fearful of the future due to a vision cannot happen effectively in one movie.
And it does have a payoff, just in a different movie. If you love Daredevil how can this be annoying? Is each episode self-contained? Do they add stuff to an episode to inform you about future ones? It can work and is working in these movies.
:wtf:



Seriously :wtf: compare a season in a tv show which it has a continous plotline to two separate films with separate plots brehs

:wtf:
 

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Marvel doesn't make 1 Billy a movie. Not anywhere close.

But the threads not abouts marvels box office why are you even bringing it up

avengers made 1.5 billy
ultron made 1.4 billy
iron man 3 made 1.2 billy

i'm just explaining why they choose to build an entire set of movie instead of 1 offs. it's more profitable to keep the setup alive for future projects.
 

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avengers made 1.5 billy
ultron made 1.4 billy
iron man 3 made 1.2 billy

i'm just explaining why they choose to build an entire set of movie instead of 1 offs. it's more profitable to keep the setup alive for future projects.
Thats 3 films.out of 12.

Again,thread isn't about box office numbers.

It's about the quality of the stories being told.
 

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:wtf:



Seriously :wtf: compare a season in a tv show which it has a continous plotline to two separate films with separate plots brehs

:wtf:
How is it different? The movies are now on their 13th episode that has a continuous plotline. It is different and a change to what we are used to which makes it so great, they changed the game. A movie doesn't have to be a self-contained thing anymore. Marvel has created new terrain and the old 'singular' movie thing is old hat now.
 

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How is it different? The movies are now on their 13th episode that has a continuous plotline. It is different and a change to what we are used to which makes it so great, they changed the game. A movie doesn't have to be a self-contained thing anymore. Marvel has created new terrain and the old 'singular' movie thing is old hat now.
Breh you've gone full retard. If you're trying to say it's like one long season of a TV show that would be one of the woat tv shows of all time. The comparison is dumb and makes little sense. That would make a horrible,horrible disjointed tv show.
 

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avengers made 1.5 billy
ultron made 1.4 billy
iron man 3 made 1.2 billy

i'm just explaining why they choose to build an entire set of movie instead of 1 offs. it's more profitable to keep the setup alive for future projects.
And the audience gets to know the main characters more intimately. Tony Stark/RDJ is now beloved to the viewing audience. His character appears in a movie and it is a billion and a positive review guaranteed.
 

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Tell me how I'm wrong? generally speaking people like this, that's why many studios are doing similar.
Many studios? Name them.

You're wrong because a TV show like daredevil has one long continuous story. Episodes are not self contained. These movies are 99% self contained with thin threads being shoe horned in to the detriment of each films story just to connect them daredevil doesn't have to shoehorn in anything its one goddamn story.

Like seriously :wtf:

It's the whole reason Edgar wright left he didn't want his film to sacrifice just to shoe horn in other shyt
 
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