Do you think LeBron is a top 5 NBA player all-time?

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Leavingtheecstasy said:
Lebron has never been a #2 on his team going into the finals, cant add kareem.
Russell played against paperboy and milkmen.
Kobe was number 2 for over half of his rings.
Lebron's won more than hakeem.
Bird was great but didnt have the longevity.
Lebron is the only player other than MJ where the entire NBA had to stack the deck against him to win. And I would say the league worked even harder to stop LeBron.
As someone said before he's the only player who people take away from his legacy for making the finals. It is better to lose in the finals than getting your ass kicked in the first and second rounds. We dont shyt on other players for getting knocked out early as shyt but only give them credit when they win? What kind of logic is that?
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Winning>> losing. Always has been and always will be.

And you act like Lebron also didnt get 2 of his 3 championships by running to Miami and dwade and stacking the team. Without the superteam lebron has 1 legit championship to his name. I dont even hold it against him but he doesnt get extra credit for those 2 championships.
 
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murksiderock said:
Lmao this is a backfire thread just like the "Post Your Top 10" thread. On the most pro-Kobe forum on the net that isn't a Lakers fan site, the majority of people on here still don't have Kobe as a Top 5 player, which aligns with the general public and these rankings that come out annually, there is a consensus he isn't Top 5....

Similar, this thread was started with the intention of proving something, and instead more than 3 outta 4 people consider him Top 5 on here, which aligns with the general public and yearly rankings that always have Bron in the Top 5, without fail...

Backfire Thread Week...



What are you basing the criteria of your Top 5 on?



That's not true, Oscar makes most Top 10 lists off the strength of the triple double despite never accomplishing much in the way of high-level winning...

Wilt also lost twice as many Finals as he won (2-4), but somehow people want you to believe he's Top 5 while the same standard means LeBron isn't. So it really isn't about winning because if it was none of you would put Wilt above him...

If it was objectively about winning, the guy with the most chips would be everyone's #1. As soon as you apply a standard that someone is better than the guy with the most chips, that door is open for everyone. If it was objectively about winning, the only guys who won all of their rings as the best player, the main guys who drive the championship, was Mike, Bron, Bird, and Dream. Kobe and Kareem won the majority of their titles as secondary great players, Oscar didn't win his lone ring as the best player on a championship team, and Wilt only won half of his as a #1...

Regarding Steph, saying he was the same chips as Bron is a lazy excuse to try to equalize them, as LeBron had beaten him once and nearly beat him twice before he added a component to tie him with LeBron (Bron had also beaten that component as well)...

This is why I'm saying, the standards are never the same for everybody. If it was about winning overall rings and/or who lost the fewest Finals, the Top 10 would look like this:

1 Bill
2 Mike (6 with no losses)
3 Kareem (6 with 4 losses)
4 Tim (5 with one loss)
5 Kobe (5 with two losses)
6 Magic (5 with 4 losses)
7 Shaq
8 Bird (3 with 2 losses)
9 LeBron (3 with 6 losses)
10 Dream (2 with 1 loss)

11 Wilt (2 with 4 losses)
12 Oscar

Literally nobody, neither on this board or when you hear these players give their lists, nor when you see these media publications give their lists, nobody has these players in this sequence, not one outlet.

I just wish you guys would admit that you, just like all the rest of us, have subjective criteria that slides depending on the player, instead of matter-of-factly stating the criteria is about something that it clearly isn't fully based upon...
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I got no problem with that top ten list. It's a fair starting point for the conversation. Everyone on that list can slide up or down 2 slots for personal bias. Which puts lebron in the top 7 to 11 range which is where I have him ranked anyway.
 
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Nigerianwonder said:
Winning>> losing. Always has been and always will be.

And you act like Lebron also didnt get 2 of his 3 championships by running to Miami and dwade and stacking the team. Without the superteam lebron has 1 legit championship to his name. I dont even hold it against him but he doesnt get extra credit for those 2 championships.
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I agree.

That's why my argument is sound. He won more series than most of the players you include and people only hold his runner ups against him. when was the last time lebron lost and it wasnt in the finals? They lost more series than bron, but bron only gets hate for coming closer. That doesnt make sense.

Yet people are putting up players who werent able to make it above him.
You're not even giving him credit for winning his rings? Lmao he didnt run away from cleveland. The organization was run horribly.
MJ retired from the bulls because they wanted to take away his HOF coach and get rid of pippen. He stated he wanted to go for 7 but he didnt because the organization fukked him over. That's in the same vein as running. If MJ is the goat he shouldve went for 7 with noone.

But he didnt and lebron shouldnt have had to drag that trash ass organization either. He left so he could build a legacy with an organization that wasnt a waste of space. Where was MJ without pippen? Lebron made it to the finals without wade at 24.

If bron doesnt get credit for his Miami rings why should kareem get 4 rings or kobe get his rings with shaq. At least LeBron was the best player on his team during those runs. If you are the best player on your team it doesnt matter if you have another good player. It's when you do some bullshyt like curry did and recruit people better than you is where the fault should be.
 
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Why is the “Big Dipper” ahead of Duncan and Bron? And why Shaq goofy ass in front of Duncan with less rings

trash ass list sorry
 
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Mars said:
If Lebron was 5-0 in the finals you know what they'd say........."Jordan, Magic Kareem, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe and Bird all went to the finals more times"
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No we wouldn't
He would have actually proved that his style of play and philosophy towards the game is the best.
He'd actually have a great argument for no. 2 but you can't be best of the best while losing on the highest stage as much as he has
 
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