Do you think LeBron is a top 5 NBA player all-time?

[Black Bolt]

Without a shadow of doubt

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

I respect you for admitting that you failed to comprehend my first point. Also, you get points for the double down. But, my point still stands, part of the conversation is how they played against their contemporaries. And no one has a better body of work over that span.

And I respect you for having to limit achievements to the point where you're excluding the same GOATs you're crying for him to be held up with. That's a special kind of stupid

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

And I respect you for having to limit achievements to the point where you're excluding the same GOATs you're crying for him to be held up with. That's a special kind of stupid

is there a better way to evaluate dominance in his era, than limiting it to his era? Let’s look all time....well, only 1 player (technically 2) has more finals MVPs than him. Hey, I think I said that in the post that you messed up the quote on.

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

is there a better way to evaluate dominance in his era, than limiting it to his era? Let’s look all time....well, only 1 player (technically 2) has more finals MVPs than him. Hey, I think I said that in the post that you messed up the quote on.

I respect you for having to limit achievements to the point where you're excluding the same GOATs you're crying for him to be held up with. That's a special kind of stupid

 

[Leavingtheecstasy]

Dwayne Wade has 3 rings. He had one when LeBron decided to team up with a then top 3 player in South Beach and was barely able to win two. And Steph Curry beat him 3 out of 4. Meanwhile Kwahi Leonard has 2 rings beating two super teams for both.

Steph curry needed KD (a better player than steph) and injuries to 2 of Bron's big 3 to beat him.

The warriors had to completely implode for kawhi to win his second ring.

 

[Leavingtheecstasy]

The arguments against him are shyt.
Lebron cant be number 1 with all the L's he's had but top 5?

It's literally cemented.

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

You’re not making the point you think you are. There’s literally 1 player with more finals MVPs than him. There’s 2 players with more league MVPs. All time there are only 2 players (maybe 3 if we count Russell) who have any stat far and above Lebron.

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

You’re not making the point you think you are. There’s literally 1 player with more finals MVPs than him. There’s 2 players with more league MVPs. All time there are only 2 players (maybe 3 if we count Russell) who have any stat far and above Lebron.

Imagine being this stupid, you have to have shyt spoonfed to you as a grown man. Do you wear a bib when you post? I already addressed this, dumbass.

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

The arguments against him are shyt.
Lebron cant be number 1 with all the L's he's had but top 5?

It's literally cemented.

He’s got to be the only person who somehow loses legacy points for making it to the finals. If he was 3-0 in the finals, what would the argument be.

 

[Ya Sinning Mane]

These dumb ass top 5 lists wit Jordan first but wilt 4 or 5


You nikkas know nothing

have magic at 4 or 5
But Jordan 1

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

Imagine being this stupid, you have to have shyt spoonfed to you as a grown man. Do you wear a bib when you post? I already addressed this, dumbass.

what are you saying? I have no idea what point you’re trying to make anymore. Lebron is an all time great and dominated his era. That’s pretty much the beginning and end of the discussion. I’m not sure why you disagree with that. It’s true for all the all time greats.

 

[Ya Sinning Mane]

Nah bron ain’t got no moves
He could at least copy cat like Kobe

 

[Leavingtheecstasy]

He lost and fled from a stacked Miami squad too
The greatest of the greats affect the from office to trust their leadership qualities, so much so that the player uplifts entire cultures of that organization
Duncan did that, Jordan, Magic etc. Those kinda guys get the highest of respect

Changing a franchise from a losing to a winning culture is the most difficult thing a great can do.

He did exactly that in Cleveland. You dont go to the finals 4 years in a row and not establish a winning culture.
Cleveland is shyt before and after lebron and the front office never could get their shyt together.

We just watched the last dance. The bulls management was determined to rebuild no matter what. MJ argues your point himself that him and the best team and best coach shouldve motivated them to go for 7. But they didnt. And so MJ left it behind. Because he was done with it if he didnt have Phil and pippen.


Bron never had a coach like Phil. Never had the best org in the league.
Wade was great until he wasnt. Kyrie is a mental case that wanted to be the man and figured out he wasnt.
MJ was blessed to have a true number 2 that was completely satisfied with being just that.
Also, if MJ's best rivals teamed up idk if he wouldve went undefeated in the finals.

MJ is a better player but with what bron had to work with it is incredibly impressive the success he's had. I actually cant believe the strawman arguments in this thread saying he isnt top 5.
Also people talk about how he ran away from cleveland the second time, but he went to an even worse situation, stuck with it and after retooling he made the organization into a contender and probably the champions if the season wasnt cancelled.

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

what are you saying? I have no idea what point you’re trying to make anymore. Lebron is an all time great and dominated his era. That’s pretty much the beginning and end of the discussion. I’m not sure why you disagree with that. It’s true for all the all time greats.

You asked , "How is anyone in good faith arguing that 3 finals MVPs doesn’t put him in the top 5"

Again, it's easy when 3 other all time greats also have 3 finals mvps with better finals records. Bron also has more finals losses than anyone else in the GOAT convo, so finals losses cancels out finals mvps. Add in kareem, russell, kobe, hakeem and bird, and one can easily "in good faith" have a top 5 without lebron.

The great thing about basketball is that it didn't start in 2003.

 

[Diondon]

Maybe. MJ & Mamba are better
All this going to the Finals shyt doesn't equal rings.
Participation trophy ass era
Dudes used to shyt on the Buffalo Bills lol