Do you so called Jews who support Israel realize it goes against the Torah

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He's not against the jewish state, the messiah's job to gather all the jews

This is what I originally asked that you didnt answer. WHERE does it say that Israel would remain in exile till the MESSIAH (and not their God) came and brought them out?

they were cased out of israel for disbobeying god, the entire point of the messiah to's bring the jews back
to the holy land from all the scattered

I agree why that they were "cased" out of Israel for disobeying, what I disagreed with was you insinuating that the current state of Israel was not because of God. I thought that you might bring something that I may have forgotten reading. But until now, you havent.

also read the entire chapter, I will be back more

To say "more" you would have had to have posted at least one. You havent. I think you just have a "jewish rabbi" friend that gave you his opinion on things.

the verse in songs is explicit instructions not to take back the land by force

Songs of solomon 2:7
Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you by the gazelles and by the does of the field: Do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires.

I'll wait for an explanation of how a lady writing a song/poem is now "explicit instructions not to take back the land by force".

And these "instructions" to "not take the land by force" directly contradict the fact that the first time they entered the land it was "by force". Your opinions are your opinions which I obviously disagree with. Where you went wrong was when you said it was in the Torah and bible and then started name calling afterwards when questioned about it.

 

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This is what I originally asked that you didnt answer. WHERE does it say that Israel would remain in exile till the MESSIAH (and not their God) came and brought them out?



I agree why that they were "cased" out of Israel for disobeying, what I disagreed with was you insinuating that the current state of Israel was not because of God. I thought that you might bring something that I may have forgotten reading. But until now, you havent.



To say "more" you would have had to have posted at least one. You havent. I think you just have a "jewish rabbi" friend that gave you his opinion on things.




Songs of solomon 2:7
Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you by the gazelles and by the does of the field: Do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires.

I'll wait for an explanation of how a lady writing a song/poem is now "explicit instructions not to take back the land by force".

And these "instructions" to "not take the land by force" directly contradict the fact that the first time they entered the land it was "by force". Your opinions are your opinions which I obviously disagree with. Where you went wrong was when you said it was in the Torah and bible and then started name calling afterwards when questioned about it.

I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up, nor awake my love, till he please.

that is the actual verse, it's God instructing them not to enter Israel, until he pleases

They entered Israel the first time under the order of God, what happened after, however, is what lead to them be exiled. Your logic is retarded because are not using the context of the situations and are using two different time periods to try to make a point.

The Israelites betrayed God's word and turned against his teaches, and were cursed, cased out

if you read the bible you would know this one verse can't explain the entire story, would open a novel and read in the middle of a chapter and understand the story NO

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
Precept to verse 15:
Leviticus 26:14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;

Leviticus 26:14-43
14 ‘But if you do not obey Me, and do not observe all these commandments, 15 and if you despise My statutes, or if your soul abhors My judgments, so that you do not perform all My commandments, but break My covenant, 16 I also will do this to you: I will even appoint terror over you, wasting disease and fever which shall consume the eyes and cause sorrow of heart. And you shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it’...and so on.

Lamentations 2:17 The LORD hath done that which he had devised; he hath fulfilled his word that he had commanded in the days of old: he hath thrown down, and hath not pitied: and he hath caused thine enemy to rejoice over thee, he hath set up the horn of thine adversaries.

Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

Malachi 2:2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

Psalm 106:13 They soon forgot his works; they waited not for his counsel:


Ezekiel 36:16-18
16 Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying: 17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. 18 Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it”.

Ezekiel 36:19
So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds.

Ezekiel 36:22-23
22 Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes.”

Ezekiel 36:24
For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.

here the lord states he will be the one to gather the jews from amongst nations

Ezekiel 36:25-27
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

Ezekiel 36:28-30, 35
28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be
My people, and I will be your God. 29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 35 So they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden…

 

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I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up, nor awake my love, till he please.

that is the actual verse, it's God instructing them not to enter Israel, until he pleases

This is a female writing a love poem and you're telling us that its actually God instructing them to not enter Israel

They entered Israel the first time under the order of God, what happened after, however, is what lead to them be exiled. Your logic is retarded because are not using the context of the situations and are using two different time periods to try to make a point.

Ok lets say that theres no bible to tell us that the first time it was under the order of God.

How would we know that it was under the order of God?

The Israelites betrayed God's word and turned against his teaches, and were cursed, cased out

Never said different.

if you read the bible you would know this one verse can't explain the entire story, would open a novel and read in the middle of a chapter and understand the story NO

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
Precept to verse 15:
Leviticus 26:14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;

Leviticus 26:14-43
14 ‘But if you do not obey Me, and do not observe all these commandments, 15 and if you despise My statutes, or if your soul abhors My judgments, so that you do not perform all My commandments, but break My covenant, 16 I also will do this to you: I will even appoint terror over you, wasting disease and fever which shall consume the eyes and cause sorrow of heart. And you shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it’...and so on.

Lamentations 2:17 The LORD hath done that which he had devised; he hath fulfilled his word that he had commanded in the days of old: he hath thrown down, and hath not pitied: and he hath caused thine enemy to rejoice over thee, he hath set up the horn of thine adversaries.

Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

Malachi 2:2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

I think you're confused lol You're showing that when Israel disobeys they become cursed. What you're not showing is how the current state of Israel did not come to be because of God. All your verses do is simply confirm that when they disobeyed, they were cursed and scattered. They do not address the current state of Israel existing since 1948 which you insinuate was NOT because of God but was because of disobedience. DESPITE the fact that attempts to rebuild the temple were made before and were not successful. Just as Im sure attempts to go back to that land were attempted before but not successful.

Now let me try to assist you with your argument. Are you saying that Israel is NOT obeying the Torah in the land of Israel today? Or are you saying that the nation of Israel existing today is not in accordance with the Torah?

Psalm 106:13 They soon forgot his works; they waited not for his counsel:


Ezekiel 36:16-18
16 Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying: 17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. 18 Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it”.

Ezekiel 36:19
So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds.

Ezekiel 36:22-23
22 Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes.”

Ezekiel 36:24
For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.

here the lord states he will be the one to gather the jews from amongst nations

Ezekiel 36:25-27
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

Ezekiel 36:28-30, 35
28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be
My people, and I will be your God. 29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 35 So they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden…

So which is it? First you said it was the messiah that was to do it. Now you're saying the "lord" (who I'll assume means the God of Abraham) is the one to doit. Which one are you going with now?

As well, what do these verses prove other than Israel was gathered to the SAME LAND promised to their ancestors according to the bible? Why dont you simply admit that you got the opinion of a rabbi and ran with it instead of saying the Torah and/or bible says things it does not?

 

[Master Teacher]

This is a female writing a love poem and you're telling us that its actually God instructing them to not enter Israel



Ok lets say that theres no bible to tell us that the first time it was under the order of God.

How would we know that it was under the order of God?



Never said different.



I think you're confused lol You're showing that when Israel disobeys they become cursed. What you're not showing is how the current state of Israel did not come to be because of God. All your verses do is simply confirm that when they disobeyed, they were cursed and scattered. They do not address the current state of Israel existing since 1948 which you insinuate was NOT because of God but was because of disobedience. DESPITE the fact that attempts to rebuild the temple were made before and were not successful. Just as Im sure attempts to go back to that land were attempted before but not successful.

Now let me try to assist you with your argument. Are you saying that Israel is NOT obeying the Torah in the land of Israel today? Or are you saying that the nation of Israel existing today is not in accordance with the Torah?



So which is it? First you said it was the messiah that was to do it. Now you're saying the "lord" (who I'll assume means the God of Abraham) is the one to doit. Which one are you going with now?

As well, what do these verses prove other than Israel was gathered to the SAME LAND promised to their ancestors according to the bible? Why dont you simply admit that you got the opinion of a rabbi and ran with it instead of saying the Torah and/or bible says things it does not?

That's not a love poem your moron, your own people the so called JEWS base their Three Oaths of this in the Talmud, which the First off is not to take Israel by force

You sound confused, the jews can only be redeemed through yeshua, that's the entire point of the messiah

The jews broke the laws and no longer have the blessing of God, only the messiah can returns lost jews back to his favor

And you truly have no idea about your own religion

The Messiah is of the lord, the lord works though the messiah, and only through that vessel can the jews have redemption

your just tap dancing

your own people even support what I'm saying

 

[Master Teacher]

The Gemara in Ketubot (111a) derives from the triple mention of the pasuk, "I have bound you in oath, O daughters of Jerusalem" (Shir Hashirim), that Hashem bound Am Yisrael and the nations of the world with three oaths. The first oath is, "shelo yaalu bachoma," that the Jews should not forcibly, "break through the wall," and enter Eretz Yisrael. The second is that the Jews should not rebel against the nations. The third is that the nations of the world should not oppress Yisrael too much over the course of the exile. According to R. Zera, there are three additional oaths which relate to the ultimate redemption. The Gemara concludes with the threat that if Israel violates these oaths, their flesh will be made free like wild animals in the field, i.e., Hashem would bring upon them great suffering and physical destruction.

once again I' not making this up, this is from the crackers

all you doing is trying to dance around the issues with your opinion, and no scriptures to back up what you're saying

its called deflection, something you khazars do well, but it doesn't work on someone who is above you such as myself

 

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[Everythingg]

That's not a love poem your moron, your own people the so called JEWS base their Three Oaths of this in the Talmud, which the First off is not to take Israel by force

We aint talking bout the Talmud oh teacher that doesnt teach correctly lol. We're talking about the Torah which you havent shown saying what you said in the headline. Just admit it doesnt say that, then admit the bible doesnt say what you said it did, THEN we can discuss the Talmud. Till then, this is just you avoiding your missteps...

You sound confused, the jews can only be redeemed through yeshua, that's the entire point of the messiah

Where in the law or the prophets does it state what you just did. Book, chapter, and verse please....

The jews broke the laws and no longer have the blessing of God, only the messiah can returns lost jews back to his favor

This is your opinion. You dont have the law or the prophets backing you on this. Time and time again its written that if Israel turns and serves their God with all their heart, mind, and soul, that they'll be forgiven. NOWHERE does it say they will not be forgiven till the messiah comes.

And you truly have no idea about your own religion

You assume my religion is judaism. Thats not smart of you to assume is it "teacher"?

The Messiah is of the lord, the lord works though the messiah, and only through that vessel can the jews have redemption

Can you even find where its written that this is the case? I just want you to bring support for what you're saying and not simply say "this says this" and "that says that"

your just tap dancing

More like stomp dancing on your argument.

your own people even support what I'm saying

Who are my people and exactly where am I from?

 

[Master Teacher]

We aint talking bout the Talmud oh teacher that doesnt teach correctly lol. We're talking about the Torah which you havent shown saying what you said in the headline. Just admit it doesnt say that, then admit the bible doesnt say what you said it did, THEN we can discuss the Talmud. Till then, this is just you avoiding your missteps...



Where in the law or the prophets does it state what you just did. Book, chapter, and verse please....



This is your opinion. You dont have the law or the prophets backing you on this. Time and time again its written that if Israel turns and serves their God with all their heart, mind, and soul, that they'll be forgiven. NOWHERE does it say they will not be forgiven till the messiah comes.



You assume my religion is judaism. Thats not smart of you to assume is it "teacher"?



Can you even find where its written that this is the case? I just want you to bring support for what you're saying and not simply say "this says this" and "that says that"



More like stomp dancing on your argument.



Who are my people and exactly where am I from?

Brought Forth how the Torah verse influenced the Talmud, this is what the jews followed not me

I gave you examples how the jews are exiled from israel, and are to remain until the messiah, but you just ignore

if this isn't your religion why are you replying, my post was directed towards jews

you obviously have no clue what you're talking about

and you think the song of solomon is a love poem, because you googled some bullshyt
instead of cross refencing

you give no facts just stupid remarks of a child, I gave an example of your own religious leader validating what I'm saying

 

[Everythingg]

its called deflection, something you khazars do well, but it doesn't work on someone who is above you such as myself

1. Thread title: "Do you so called jews who support Israel realize it goes against the torah"

Proceeds to bring things from the songs of Solomon and the Talmud to support his case. What he brings from the Torah simply states that Israel will be scattered (and regathered). It doesnt exemplify WHY Israel of today is against the Torah as thread title claims

2. First post: "having jewish state is against the will of god, because jews are suppose to be in exile until the messiah leads them into zion"

Then he doesnt bring where exactly the law (or the bible) suggests ISRAEL remains in exile until the messiah leads them back.

3. Accuses someone of being a khazar

I didnt deflect "teacher". I asked you to exemplify where the bible stated what you were stating. You couldnt.

 

[Master Teacher]

Genesis 49:10
The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh comes; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

the thing about bible passages is, you have to understand the story that is being told to give them context

his passage here is a prophecy about the messiah, and of course the messiah doesn't appear in the old testament

 

[Master Teacher]

1. Thread title: "Do you so called jews who support Israel realize it goes against the torah"

Proceeds to bring things from the songs of Solomon and the Talmud to support his case. What he brings from the Torah simply states that Israel will be scattered (and regathered). It doesnt exemplify WHY Israel of today is against the Torah as thread title claims

2. First post: "having jewish state is against the will of god, because jews are suppose to be in exile until the messiah leads them into zion"

Then he doesnt bring where exactly the law (or the bible) suggests ISRAEL remains in exile until the messiah leads them back.

3. Accuses someone of being a khazar

I didnt deflect "teacher". I asked you to exemplify where the bible stated what you were stating. You couldnt.

I gave you a shyt load of examples and continue to do so

THE SONG OF SOLOMON'S VERSE IS IN THE TALMUND THAT HOW IT RELATES I POSTED ALREADY

you deal with, you're like a child that keep asking why, why, why

your dumb as fukk man

 

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Isaiah 11:11-12
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Once again this an old testament foretelling the messiah chosen by god uniting the children of Israel

 

[Everythingg]

Brought Forth how the Torah verse influenced the Talmud, this is what the jews followed not me

You said it was against the Torah yet brought something from the Talmud. YOU'RE the one in the wrong here. If you made a mishap, then admit it. Otherwise, YOU'RE WRONG.

I gave you examples how the jews are exiled from israel, and are to remain until the messiah, but you just ignore

No you didnt. You didnt bring one verse that states "they are to remain in exile until the messiah". Not one.

if this isn't your religion why are you replying, my post was directed towards jews

Well, I obviously believe in following the ways that were given to them by Moses. Which is why I knew it didnt say what you were saying it did. Now I did believe as you once did, till I considered the subject OBJECTIVELY.

you obviously have no clue what you're talking about

If one doesnt have wisdom, it will be hard for that one to understand the words of the wise.

and you think the song of solomon is a love poem, because you googled some bullshyt
instead of cross refencing

You'd think that too if you read the text yourself instead of relying on your "jewish rabbi" friend. Chapter 1:

The song of songs, which is Solomon's.
2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.

Was God wanting Solomon to kiss Him? I dont believe so. But with you ignore the surrounding verses for your interpretation that God was speaking, I guess you do. Heres another one for your temple:

I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys.
2 As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters.

3 As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

4 He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love

God was the rose of Sharon? Solomon brought God to Solomon's banqueting house? And place his banner over God? YOU'RE CONFUSED. Well that or your "jewish rabbi" friend.

you give no facts just stupid remarks of a child, I gave an example of your own religious leader validating what I'm saying

I simply asked for support for your statements. The best you could give was the Talmud

Thats on you not I, my friend. And while I do respect jewish rabbis, I dont consider them my "religious leaders" lest I be washed away with falsehoods as some rabbi's have.

 

[Everythingg]

Isaiah 11:11-12
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Once again this an old testament foretelling the messiah chosen by god uniting the children of Israel

What does a "second time" mean?

And how does this verse state that ALL of Israel would be in exile UNTIL the messiah comes?

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