Do we miss the BCS

[Silkk]

nikkas say they hate the BCS but it got it right more often than wrong. Only thing "equitable" is the G5 schools get in and get a shot to get blown out in R1. MWC Boise State and TCU wish they had this system.

lol no the fukk it didn't

 

[Silkk]

No need to even have a circular argument about it though

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

We have a ten year sample size of the 4 team playoff. Avg margin of victory of the semi's is 18 pts. 2023 was the first year that both games ended with a single digit margin of victory.

2014: 7 & 39
2015: 20 & 38
2016: 17 & 31
2017: 18 & 6
2018: 11 & 27
2019: 35 & 6
2020: 17 & 21
2021: 21 & 23
2022: 1 & 6
2023: 7 & 6

BCS got the title games right more times than not, unless you're a fan of blowouts and like hearing Herbstreit & Fowler go deep in their notes trying to find something to keep people tuned in (or a disillusioned SoCal football fan).

 

[Silkk]

We have a ten year sample size of the 4 team playoff. Avg margin of victory of the semi's is 18 pts. 2023 was the first year that both games ended with a single digit margin of victory.

2014: 7 & 39
2015: 20 & 38
2016: 17 & 31
2017: 18 & 6
2018: 11 & 27
2019: 35 & 6
2020: 17 & 21
2021: 21 & 23
2022: 1 & 6
2023: 7 & 6

BCS got the title games right more times than not, unless you're a fan of blowouts and like hearing Herbstreit & Fowler go deep in their notes trying to find something to keep people tuned in (or a disillusioned SoCal football fan).

FSU fan throwing shots because.....?

 

[focusloco]

My squad would have never have a chance in hell without the. CFP...UNLV football is going to shock the world this year

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

FSU fan throwing shots because.....?

anyway, the numbers prove my point. R1 has mostly been a dud. Expanding the field won't do shyt to change that. There's a reason ESPN subleased 2-3 of the R1 games to TNT. Hell, the conferences didn't even get the $$ they thought they were going to get for the first round. All because history has shown they've been blowouts and will continue to be so. You might get one classic. Cool

 

[Samori Toure]

Broah has thrown as many touchdowns to Denver as the Denver quarterback has.

 

[Silkk]

anyway, the numbers prove my point. R1 has mostly been a dud. Expanding the field won't do shyt to change that. There's a reason ESPN subleased 2-3 of the R1 games to TNT. Hell, the conferences didn't even get the $$ they thought they were going to get for the first round. All because history has shown they've been blowouts and will continue to be so. You might get one classic. Cool

Breh im just talking about the BCS being better. It wasn't. Just off the dome:

2003: Oklahoma blew out vs KState but still made the title game
2004: Auburn is left out with a perfect record
2007: Straight fucckery. Multiple two loss teams that could have been in over LSU but whatever.
2008: Same thing. Texas & USC left out of a title shot even though they had the same record as Florida and Oklahoma.
2011: SEC shyt


And that's not even getting into the times Boise/TCU got screwed. Cal getting politicked out of the rose bowl, and everything before I really started watching in 03.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

Breh im just talking about the BCS being better. It wasn't. Just off the dome:

2003: Oklahoma blew out vs KState but still made the title game
2004: Auburn is left out with a perfect record
2007: Straight fucckery. Multiple two loss teams that could have been in over LSU but whatever.
2008: Same thing. Texas & USC left out of a title shot even though they had the same record as Florida and Oklahoma.
2011: SEC shyt


And that's not even getting into the times Boise/TCU got screwed. Cal getting politicked out of the rose bowl, and everything before I really started watching in 03.

I've been watching since the beginning. Fine, you pulled 5 out of 16 years. Every fukkin year of this invitational tourney has been unwatchable (minus the past two seasons). Adding more teams doesn't fix that. It's a TV product. Not a product based on merit. Been since the BCS but at least the folks running the BCS had the nuts to tweak the formulas. These mf's on the committee are just making it up as they go. Heard the term game control lately? Strength of schedule don't matter anymore. It's strength of record. They're using Saragin, FPS, DVOA and other shyt to make judgements. Just leave it to the computers if that's the case. At least we know the computers aren't just scoreboard watching and being swayed by Barry Alvarez making pleas in the conference room at some Marriott out by DFW. And again, THERE ISN'T 12 TEAMS WORTHY OF PLAYING FOR THE TITLE

 

[Silkk]

I've been watching since the beginning. Fine, you pulled 5 out of 16 years. Every fukkin year of this invitational tourney has been unwatchable (minus the past two seasons). Adding more teams doesn't fix that. It's a TV product. Not a product based on merit. Been since the BCS but at least the folks running the BCS had the nuts to tweak the formulas. These mf's on the committee are just making it up as they go. Heard the term game control lately? Strength of schedule don't matter anymore. It's strength of record. They're using Saragin, FPS, DVOA and other shyt to make judgements. Just leave it to the computers if that's the case. At least we know the computers aren't just scoreboard watching and being swayed by Barry Alvarez making pleas in the conference room at some Marriott out by DFW. And again, THERE ISN'T 12 TEAMS WORTHY OF PLAYING FOR THE TITLE

Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to watch the first round games. I don't like the expansion either, I thought 4 was perfect.


But there is no logical thinking CFB fan on this planet on this earth who thinks the BCS was a better way to crown a national champion than a playoff is.


I'll take the trade off of having an unworthy team get their ass beat in a round 1 game than wondering for decades what could have been or who the actual best team was because someone got screwed and left out.

 

[Saint1]

Not at all.

I remember Lou Holtz making some grandstand that the BCS voters needed to put LSU in the championship game and I agreed.

It's stupid that there would be any conversation about who should be in the final. Getting into the playoff may slight a team or two but they gotta play to get to the championship and then things are decided.

I can't believe it was a committee/computer program that just said subjective 1 vs subjective 2

 

[billsburydoughboy]

You miss that it took the prestige out of all of the bowl games?

I don't follow. Break it down.

Maybe I should have worded it differently. I’m saying the playoffs took the prestige out of the bowl games. Specifically the lesser ones. That’s the perception… is the interest still there as it once was? If it was, a lot of players wouldn’t be opting out as they are now.

The Georgia/Florida State matchup last year is one case of that. If you don't make the playoffs, a lot of players don’t see the point in playing in a meaningless bowl game. In the BCS era, even if you weren’t playing for the national championship, teams often wanted to prove that the public perception about them was wrong and that they deserved a championship bid, or at least deserved to be in a BCS bowl.

 

[billsburydoughboy]

My squad would have never have a chance in hell without the. CFP...UNLV football is going to shock the world this year

I think this is why I prefer the extended playoff format more. A team like Boise State can now have the chance to play for the title. Whereas the year they went undefeated, the best you can get is a lesser BCS game(OU vs Oklahoma). After they were able to defeat OU, the what if comes into play. Now we’re steps closer to removing the what ifs…

 

[murksiderock]

This is so much better than the BCS. But what they need to do is cut down on Bowl games. With the larger playoff field, you should now need like 8 wins to be bowl-eligible. And cut down to like, 20 bowl games or something. Ain't no need for all these irrelevant bowls, and the bowl season would be interesting again, if teams who missed the playoffs, but won 8+ games, were the only bowl eligible teams...

12-team format is perfect. Also do away with all conference championship games, you don't need em with a large playoff field...

 

[King Poetic]

I rather see a team like Boise State and SMU in the playoffs

Will they win the championship, probably not but it’s fun to see if they can beat Notre Dame or Penn State