Do Teachers Deserve To Be Paid MORE? (Are Black Parents Involved In Their Child's Education?)

[valet]

As far as parents, in my experience I know many who are not involved. Don't check if their kids do their work. Parent teacher conferencess a no show. And I get that some parents work or have multiple kids in different school. Have no idea that their kids not graduating or know their grades

 

[SirReginald]

Maybe we could but too many people like you think a bachelors degree is a scam and exclude themselves from a potential career

I did a lot of work on black student achievement and interviewed a lot of black folks from various backgrounds and most of the older people agreed that integration hurt the education of black children. Our best and brightest were shipped out and their worst and least qualified were hired and transferred to our schools. Similar to the process of colonization if you think about it.

I said worthless degrees were a scam not college in general.

 

[Serious]

Stop blaming parents. Stop blaming parents. Stop blaming parents.

The children parents send to school are the responsibility of our educational system for 5 days a week, 8 hrs a day at minimum. This is why quality education is so important. HEADS UP!
In a capitalist society, ur children will spend more time around others than they spend with you.

You can instill whatever in ur kids and they can still get inducted into fukkery as soon as you drop them off.

Parents are a convenient scapegoat when really, our schools have been shytty for decades now. Low teacher pay, lack of engaging curriculum, dismissing good teachers so you don't have to pay them and replacing them with one year contract teachers with no experience, excessive testing, nepotism, elimination of school programs beyond academics and depressing school standards play 100% more of a role than parents do.
Single most significant predictor of student success in post-secondary education was not parent support but quality of teachers.

Stop. Blaming. Parents.

Books I hear you, but what do you do in regard to disciplinary actions. While I maybe naive to the underlining issue associated with misconduct on the behave of students. What's the proper way to address the situation without isolating the students, which can further escalate or exacerbate a problem.

I'm of the agreement that a lot of kids act out, as a cry for help. So it's not directly their fault. They may be experiencing some deep internal dysfunction at home. I'm still struggling to come to terms with how schools, which are typically seen as learning facilities can address this.

 

[Liquid]

My wife's a teacher.

The amount of work she does even at home to grade, prepare for classes is not worth her salary. She stresses at work, she buys materials for her kids out of her own pocket, not to mention the mandatory classes she has to take to keep her certification. It's insane. She's making 65K which is a lot better than most teachers around the country but if you compare her work with mine (IT) she is underpaid.

I'm sitting at home playing XBox, or just hanging out on a normal weeknight while she has to do work. Plus I'm not nearly as stressed at work than her. And i get paid almost double her salary

She's got her masters, certification and all of that. I just have my associates

My mom and sister are teachers. The stress is often overlooked. Yeah the summers being "off" are nice, but the school year is absolute hell.

We grew up okay financially, but it definitely wasn't easy being that my dad decided to skip and start another family. Teachers definitely deserve to be paid more for how much responsibilities they have to their local communities.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Majority of parents I encountered did this. The U.S. did a study that showed how blk children actually read at higher rates than other races of children but were years behind by the time they hit 3rd grade.

We have stereotypes of deadbeat dads and trifling moms in our heads when we think of students. I've seen parents walk or catch the bus miles away to get free school supplies for their children. I've known parents to risk their jobs to pick up their "bad" kids who weren't even bad btw. They were merely active kids! When it really comes down to it, many parents are doing the best they can. I can't say the same thing for these shytty ass schools.

As the old saying says, it takes a village to raise a child.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

thing is though, she cant get fired. you can. and shes gonna retire with a pension of like at least 50 thousand a year to sit around and do nothing (so congrats )

if teachers want more money, get rid of tenure and open them up to being fired. i also think we should cut pensions on the back end and pay them more up front. but thats not a grievance i have with teachers specifically, thats all public employees

You haven’t read about education in the last 5 years. There’s no more tenure, pensions aren’t generous if you get one, and pay hasn’t increased. I am speaking for South Florida, Miami-Dade & Broward, the 4th and 6th largest districts in the nation; respectively.

 

[SirReginald]

A lot of teachers are trash. When I used to tutor, the teacher have incorrect grammar, don't know anything without the answer book or guide book. A lot of them aren't qualified to teach but we need educators and so that's that. If they raised the salaries and made the jobs more competitive, it'd be worth it, but honestly, only a handful of teachers are actually good at their jobs. The rest are just there to collect a check.

That's terrible and it sets these children up for failure in the real world

 

[Copy Ninja]

A lot of teachers are trash. When I used to tutor, the teacher have incorrect grammar, don't know anything without the answer book or guide book. A lot of them aren't qualified to teach but we need educators and so that's that. If they raised the salaries and made the jobs more competitive, it'd be worth it, but honestly, only a handful of teachers are actually good at their jobs. The rest are just there to collect a check.

I don't know what county your speaking off but for the most part, you need a master's and a certification to become a teacher. I doubt teachers go through all that just to be underpaid and shytted on by parents and shytty kids


Not saying there aren't any bad teachers, just saying majority of them choose the profession because they want to teach.

 

[SirReginald]

Teachers need to be paid more, period. They are charged with teaching kids, mentoring them and all other things @thatdude901 mentioned. And they get all the blame for kids failures, too. Should be paid a lot more.

I won’t even touch the issue of black parents not caring enough about their kids education. I don’t have enough time to breakdown that bullshyt statement.

Give a summary on the last part. We in this thread all think that's it's important.

 

[Archangel]

The education system is broken beyond repair. It starts at the top and it trickles down. You can't bandaid the issue. It needs to be torn down and built from scratch.

My wife and I have already decided we will homeschool our kids.

 

[the cac mamba]

You haven’t read about education in the last 5 years. There’s no more tenure, pensions aren’t generous if you get one, and pay hasn’t increased. I am speaking for South Florida, Miami-Dade & Broward, the 4th and 6th largest districts in the nation; respectively.

well thats garbage without a pay increase i dont support that at all. its a tough, thankless job

 

[SirReginald]

The education system is broken beyond repair. It starts at the top and it trickles down. You can't bandaid the issue. It needs to be torn down and built from scratch.

My wife and I have already decided we will homeschool our kids.

How should it be broken down and rebuilt? Please go in depth brotha.

 

[Lesfilles]

I don't know what county your speaking off but for the most part, you need a master's and a certification to become a teacher. I doubt teachers go through all that just to be underpaid and shytted on by parents and shytty kids


Not saying there aren't any bad teachers, just saying majority of them choose the profession because they want to teach.

Yes and no in my experience. I know a girl who couldn't get a decent LSAT score so decided to go into teaching, another girl who failed to pass her comps (thrice) for a masters in psychology and is now going to try and get a Masters. Ed. and go the teaching route..these people are not people who wanted to teach at the onset, but it was a viable career path for them.

Teach for America, City Leads or whatever,...all those programs shuffle students through masters of education programs and have programs/deals with universities. A lot of them might want to teach but that doesn't mean they should.

As someone who tutored in the inner city, I had a teacher let me teach the class because my grammar was better than hers...only reason I couldn't teach anymore was because the school administrator walked passed the class and said I legally couldn't ..but the students and teacher felt that I was better at teaching the materials than she was because I didn't need the guide book... I actually learned it. A lot of them aren't that qualified to teach, taking out the certificates and degrees. Yeah ok, you have a BA in English, but some of them got that BA cause it was 'easy' not cause they cared about the English language.

From my undergrad class, a lot of kids turned to those 'teach the inner city youth' programs because their GPAs in their majors were trash and they had no other real job prospects...that or go teach English in Asia. Then you see them posting pics in their classrooms pretending they love teaching when really it was just an easy job to slide into. Especially if you come from certain universities.

Of course their are great teachers, but I'm saying the system is not as refined as people think. That's why I stopped tutoring. It's really frustrating seeing the quality of teachers in some of these school districts. Teacher's literally have the guide or answer book in hand, trying to teach Geometry and the students aren't getting it because the teacher barely understands without the book themselves. Predominately black areas get hit hardest because they pay even lower. Most of the best qualified teachers are at private schools or high-income school districts.

There is also the problem of bad kids, enabling parents and overcrowding in schools, but that's a different topic.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Yes and no in my experience. I know a girl who couldn't get a decent LSAT score so decided to go into teaching, another girl who failed to pass her comps (thrice) for a masters in psychology and is now going to try and get a Masters. Ed. and go the teaching route..these people are not people who wanted to teach at the onset, but it was a viable career path for them.

Teach for America, City Leads or whatever,...all those programs shuffle students through masters of education programs and have programs/deals with universities. A lot of them might want to teach but that doesn't mean they should.

As someone who tutored in the inner city, I had a teacher let me teach the class because my grammar was better than hers...only reason I couldn't teach anymore was because the school administrator walked passed the class and said I legally couldn't ..but the students and teacher felt that I was better at teaching the materials than she was because I didn't need the guide book... I actually learned it. A lot of them aren't that qualified to teach, taking out the certificates and degrees. Yeah ok, you have a BA in English, but some of them got that BA cause it was 'easy' not cause they cared about the English language.

From my undergrad class, a lot of kids turned to those 'teach the inner city youth' programs because their GPAs in their majors were trash and they had no other real job prospects...that or go teach English in Asia. Then you see them posting pics in their classrooms pretending they love teaching when really it was just an easy job to slide into. Especially if you come from certain universities.

Of course their are great teachers, but I'm saying the system is not as refined as people think. That's why I stopped tutoring. It's really frustrating seeing the quality of teachers in some of these school districts. Teacher's literally have the guide or answer book in hand, trying to teach Geometry and the students aren't getting it because the teacher barely understands without the book themselves. Predominately black areas get hit hardest because they pay even lower. Most of the best qualified teachers are at private schools or high-income school districts.

There is also the problem of bad kids, enabling parents and overcrowding in schools, but that's a different topic.

In South Florida, you get paid more to teach in Title I schools.

The bolded has more of an effect than pay.

 

[SirReginald]

As far as parents, in my experience I know many who are not involved. Don't check if their kids do their work. Parent teacher conferencess a no show. And I get that some parents work or have multiple kids in different school. Have no idea that their kids not graduating or know their grades

Do the kids care where you work? Are the well mannered students?