Do Teachers Deserve To Be Paid MORE? (Are Black Parents Involved In Their Child's Education?)

[Copy Ninja]

My wife's a teacher.

The amount of work she does even at home to grade, prepare for classes is not worth her salary. She stresses at work, she buys materials for her kids out of her own pocket, not to mention the mandatory classes she has to take to keep her certification. It's insane. She's making 65K which is a lot better than most teachers around the country but if you compare her work with mine (IT) she is underpaid.

I'm sitting at home playing XBox, or just hanging out on a normal weeknight while she has to do work. Plus I'm not nearly as stressed at work than her. And i get paid almost double her salary

She's got her masters, certification and all of that. I just have my associates

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

@Lesfilles to add to that point. I have proof-read papers for kids. A close to 4.0 student had some of the worst grammar I have read. She basically wrote how she talked. I'm not saying ebonics but it wasn't formal language either. If I was grading it she would receive an F. But in poor schools, it's just acceptable. And when they get to college they're going to get destroyed.

I work in high school but serious writing starts in middle school and these pupils aren’t properly taught nor do they read current events anymore. Reading newspapers like The NY Times which are written at a 12th grade to college-level greatly help one’s own writing. A lot of students of a lower socioeconomic background do not read. Not even a local newspaper which are mostly written at an 8th grade.

 

[SirReginald]

Good thread thus far

 

[AllHolosEve]

I'm with the group that says it depends on the teacher. I've had teachers that get you into the shyt and actually care about the grade of the work you turn in. Also teachers that made you not give a fukk about the class at all.

I had a teacher who was a white lady get in trouble for changing up the ciriculum in our Black history class. She told us the books were full of lies made up by white people and we deserved the truth. She deserved a raise. The Asian lady that taught math didn't, she acted like she was just there for the check and few gave a fukk about being in the class.

 

[NoMoreWhiteWoman2020]

Maybe that shyt needs to change and we start teaching out own kids.

Maybe we could but too many people like you think a bachelors degree is a scam and exclude themselves from a potential career

I did a lot of work on black student achievement and interviewed a lot of black folks from various backgrounds and most of the older people agreed that integration hurt the education of black children. Our best and brightest were shipped out and their worst and least qualified were hired and transferred to our schools. Similar to the process of colonization if you think about it.

 

[NoMoreWhiteWoman2020]

There should be more investment period. There should be more therapists hired, financial literacy should be a required course, and teachers should get social benefits like veterans to offset some of the pay raises that might not happen. If teachers got preferred access to housing and discounts at a lot of places, it would make the profession more attractive.

Also teachers better start rejecting the online wave because that shyt will phase us out and take away the bond between a student and a teacher. Social skills will suffer.

 

[old pig]

“Yes” to both questions

 

[Serious]

Yeah paying teachers and upping the credentials / prestige behind being a teacher would help. The money helps attract more high quality candidates. Meanwhile schools can be a lot more selective in their requirements because the candidate for the jobs will be plentiful and teachers will bring their A game.

 

[Serious]

@Lesfilles to add to that point. I have proof-read papers for kids. A close to 4.0 student had some of the worst grammar I have read. She basically wrote how she talked. I'm not saying ebonics but it wasn't formal language either. If I was grading it she would receive an F. But in poor schools, it's just acceptable. And when they get to college they're going to get destroyed.

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TLDR: Standout student at Crenshaw High School(predominantly black and hispanic school in LA) struggles to at UCB(the most prestigious school in California)

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

Stop blaming parents. Stop blaming parents. Stop blaming parents.

The children parents send to school are the responsibility of our educational system for 5 days a week, 8 hrs a day at minimum. This is why quality education is so important. HEADS UP!
In a capitalist society, ur children will spend more time around others than they spend with you.

You can instill whatever in ur kids and they can still get inducted into fukkery as soon as you drop them off.

Parents are a convenient scapegoat when really, our schools have been shytty for decades now. Low teacher pay, lack of engaging curriculum, dismissing good teachers so you don't have to pay them and replacing them with one year contract teachers with no experience, excessive testing, nepotism, elimination of school programs beyond academics and depressing school standards play 100% more of a role than parents do.
Single most significant predictor of student success in post-secondary education was not parent support but quality of teachers.

Stop. Blaming. Parents.

 

[Cadillac]

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Stop blaming parents. Stop blaming parents. Stop blaming parents.

The children parents send to school are the responsibility of our educational system for 5 days a week, 8 hrs a day at minimum. This is why quality education is so important. HEADS UP!
In a capitalist society, ur children will spend more time around others than they spend with you.

You can instill whatever in ur kids and they can still get inducted into fukkery as soon as you drop them off.

Parents are a convenient scapegoat when really, our schools have been shytty for decades now. Low teacher pay, lack of engaging curriculum, dismissing good teachers so you don't have to pay them and replacing them with one year contract teachers with no experience, excessive testing, nepotism, elimination of school programs beyond academics and depressing school standards play 100% more of a role than parents do.
Single most significant predictor of student success in post-secondary education was not parent support but quality of teachers.

Stop. Blaming. Parents.

When people complain about parent engagement it’s instilling the importance of education as a vital part of their children’s lives. Stress to take it seriously while in school and do what’s required.

 

[Serious]

I'm with the group that says it depends on the teacher. I've had teachers that get you into the shyt and actually care about the grade of the work you turn in. Also teachers that made you not give a fukk about the class at all.

I had a teacher who was a white lady get in trouble for changing up the ciriculum in our Black history class. She told us the books were full of lies made up by white people and we deserved the truth. She deserved a raise.

Didnt learn this until freshmen year of college. Had no idea how brutal slavery was or the depth of fukkery in regard to treatment of black people(or anyone nonwhite) in the US.

The Asian lady that taught math didn't, she acted like she was just there for the check and few gave a fukk about being in the class.[/COLOR]

So I had a few teachers like this in hs. Truth is, that's life. Some people want to learn and others want to fukk around chat the whole time. I kinda get it, but school can be a gloried social / day care center. I place half the blame on parents for not rising their kids to be respectful of adults in an authority position and half is on the teacher. I won't front like their werent some kids straight up causing havoc in the classroom, which inhibited on the lesson.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

When people complain about parent engagement it’s instilling the importance of education as a vital part of their children’s lives. Stress to take it seriously while in school and do what’s required.

Majority of parents I encountered did this. The U.S. did a study that showed how blk children actually read at higher rates than other races of children but were years behind by the time they hit 3rd grade.

We have stereotypes of deadbeat dads and trifling moms in our heads when we think of students. I've seen parents walk or catch the bus miles away to get free school supplies for their children. I've known parents to risk their jobs to pick up their "bad" kids who weren't even bad btw. They were merely active kids! When it really comes down to it, many parents are doing the best they can. I can't say the same thing for these shytty ass schools.

 

[the cac mamba]

My wife's a teacher.

The amount of work she does even at home to grade, prepare for classes is not worth her salary. She stresses at work, she buys materials for her kids out of her own pocket, not to mention the mandatory classes she has to take to keep her certification. It's insane. She's making 65K which is a lot better than most teachers around the country but if you compare her work with mine (IT) she is underpaid.

I'm sitting at home playing XBox, or just hanging out on a normal weeknight while she has to do work. Plus I'm not nearly as stressed at work than her. And i get paid almost double her salary

She's got her masters, certification and all of that. I just have my associates

thing is though, she cant get fired. you can. and shes gonna retire with a pension of like at least 50 thousand a year to sit around and do nothing (so congrats )

if teachers want more money, get rid of tenure and open them up to being fired. i also think we should cut pensions on the back end and pay them more up front. but thats not a grievance i have with teachers specifically, thats all public employees