Puka likely won't beat out Stroud for OROY. Stroud honestly deserves some MVP votes the way he played.
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Did Puka Nacua's record-setting year expose Cooper Kupp as a system receiver?
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YOGEBEAR09
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Thats false Cooks was always the 3rd option behind Woods and Kupp, only reason Cooks has more numbers than Kupp in 2018 is because Kupp got hurt halfway through the season and I can assure you any Rams fan would have 100% rather have had Kupp for the SB run than Cooks in 2018. Also Cooks has been a 1000 wr 6 times in his career for 4 different franchises so acting like he only did that here is nonsense
Idk what type of time you on breh but this ain’t it.
Be more specific. It’s not system, it’s QB. Stafford gon pepper tf out of his #1 WR
They benefit from that for sure. IMO moreso Puka. i honestly can’t pin down what his high end skill is. He’s tough and reliable. Like Michael Thomas-esque which is a compliment but also not
Kupp a lil different. Commentators used to always refer to him like he’s a small shifty slot guy. Bruh he’s 6’2 and solid. With that agility. So he’s unique …but even still, Kupp’s career is weird af. Most domannt unstoppable WR season I can recall, but his career numbers otherwise are shockingly mid. A lot of injuries, but even his healthy year with Robert woods, they had identical numbers. Kupp just more tds
But yea, considering Kupp is already 30, if Puka can get another year or 2 out of Stafford he’s almost surely gonna out produce Kupp and may even have a year similar to Kupp’s monster year so ultimately Puka may adversely effect Kupp’s legacy
Great post.
I was responding directly to a comment that said their "speed is crazy". That's objectively false. Do you seriously believe that Kupp and Puka's speed is crazy? That's an objective statement, and it's pretty easy to objectively disprove.
Thanks for admitting that I'm ahead.
You've been negging me and spamming the thread with posts, but what have you actually said? I get that arguing with a Rams fan about Kupp is like arguing with a Niners fan about Purdy. Objectivity is.....a bit lacking. If you have some objective argument to make, then make it.
But for right now, Puka is still a guy who caught more passes his rookie year than in an entire four-year college career, and Kupp is a guy who caught over 50 more passes in 2021 than he had ever caught in any season before or since. "Since" you can attribute to injury, but before he had three full seasons with Jared Goff and was a good receiver, but not anyone that was going to the Pro Bowl or being called one of the best in the NFL, much less the freaking Offensive Player of the Year.
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Cooks was a consistent 1000 yard receiver for most of his career. He was putting up 1000 yards with Davis Mills in Houston
Nothing any of yall said, refuted by main point that many wide wrs can come into this offense and be productive.
If you can run routes and read coverages, which you should be able to do at the professional level as a wr. You will put up numbers.
That much is obvious
YOGEBEAR09
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I've said that you have no clue on what youre talking about because you dont watch the Rams, youre just making threads when your football knowledge is obviously lacking. You stated that Cooper Kupp did not deserve OPOY and SB MVP when he put up arguably a top wr season of all time that year and he was our only weapon during the SB with woods being hurt and OBJ going out and 0 run game. SB was Kupp or bust on offense and he he came up big every time we needed a play. You're using pre-draft analysis to try to down play Puka's ability and route running when hes shown that he is able to run damn near any route and makes big play after big play. Trust and believe that a guy that only has the skill set to be a gadget player and cant run routes is not breaking the rookie rec and yards record in the NFL in any system. Plus you just referred to Jared Goff as Josh Goff. You obviously have no real knowledge of the Rams much less football in general. You dont see me making terrible threads on basketball and topics I know I dont have the knowlege to speak and you should try doing the same.Great post.
I was responding directly to a comment that said their "speed is crazy". That's objectively false. Do you seriously believe that Kupp and Puka's speed is crazy? That's an objective statement, and it's pretty easy to objectively disprove.
Thanks for admitting that I'm ahead.
You've been negging me and spamming the thread with posts, but what have you actually said? I get that arguing with a Rams fan about Kupp is like arguing with a Niners fan about Purdy. Objectivity is.....a bit lacking. If you have some objective argument to make, then make it.
But for right now, Puka is still a guy who caught more passes his rookie year than in an entire four-year college career, and Kupp is a guy who caught over 50 more passes in 2021 than he had ever caught in any season before or since. "Since" you can attribute to injury, but before he had three full seasons with Josh Goff and was a good receiver, but not anyone that was going to the Pro Bowl or being called one of the best in the NFL, much less the freaking Offensive Player of the Year.
YOGEBEAR09
RAM Gang. Horns up
Every wr can run greate routes and read coverages like that well, thats the fukking point, not every wr can do what they do, and yes good players have better numbers when in better systems, does not take away from the fact that they are good players.
I dont think they would put up the numbers to validate the opnion of being top 10-15 wrs in systems that werent as wr friendly
I guess top 20-15 is still good
I literally called Kupp a good player right in the OP.
I just don't think he's an OPOY/MVP level player.
OneManGang
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Puka is a fukking unit. Let’s get that out of the way, he’s physical and resilient. Can catch and isn’t afraid to take the hits.
I still think it’s ok to point out that Stafford will allow you to make plays if he trusts you, he’s getting you the ball multiple times a game. His arm allows him to give his guys a chance and it shows in the numbers. His usage, your yardage, his interception numbers and
throws into coverage…he’s giving you a chance to make the play or make him look like a gunslinging dumbass
I still think it’s ok to point out that Stafford will allow you to make plays if he trusts you, he’s getting you the ball multiple times a game. His arm allows him to give his guys a chance and it shows in the numbers. His usage, your yardage, his interception numbers and
throws into coverage…he’s giving you a chance to make the play or make him look like a gunslinging dumbassMindfield333
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Ultimately a lot of players are the result of the system they’re in. Then you have those actual game changers that make something out of nothing and it’s hard for a receiver to be that because they are so dependent on the QB
The main reason I'm salty is that WRs are so rarely considered for awards, it still seems wild to me that Cooper Kupp of all people is the one to get them.
Only 3 other WRs in NFL history have ever won the OPOY. Calvin Johnson never won an OPOY. Neither did Larry Fitzgerald. Neither did Randy Moss.
Only 7 other WRs had won a Super Bowl MVP, and no one in 50 years had done it with fewer receiving yards than Kupp's 92. There's been over 50 wide receivers who have put up 100+ yards in a Super Bowl and 90% of them didn't win MVP for their efforts, but Kupp gets when he had been damn near forgettable all game (5 catches for 53 yards and an incomplete pass) until the final drive.
Does anyone really believe that Cooper Kupp is better than Tyreek Hill, Stefon Diggs, or Devonte Adams? All three of them were better than Kupp before his big season, and they're still better than Kupp after his big season. But Kupp is the one who gets all the media attention and awards.
Only 3 other WRs in NFL history have ever won the OPOY. Calvin Johnson never won an OPOY. Neither did Larry Fitzgerald. Neither did Randy Moss.
Only 7 other WRs had won a Super Bowl MVP, and no one in 50 years had done it with fewer receiving yards than Kupp's 92. There's been over 50 wide receivers who have put up 100+ yards in a Super Bowl and 90% of them didn't win MVP for their efforts, but Kupp gets when he had been damn near forgettable all game (5 catches for 53 yards and an incomplete pass) until the final drive.
Does anyone really believe that Cooper Kupp is better than Tyreek Hill, Stefon Diggs, or Devonte Adams? All three of them were better than Kupp before his big season, and they're still better than Kupp after his big season. But Kupp is the one who gets all the media attention and awards.