Did Modern Women kill R&B?

[bobbiewishbone]

"You was talkin' and shyt, time to get up in them ribs..."

 

[Low End Derrick]

In b4 that one nikka posts 1000 videos of modern R&B proving that it aint dead

EDIT: fukk it, I'll do it myself:

Spoiler: WARNING: PURE HEAT

Spoiler: FEAST

 

[LunaticVillage415]

Chris Brown destroyed R&B

R&B singers used to have buttoned up shirts, then Chris Brown shows up claiming piru on twitter and trying to be a gangsta.
That's when shyt turned sideways
No more buttoned up shirts

Fasholly. R&B used to be Hip Hop's grown ass smooth older brother. R&B used to lowkey set the stylistic standard for Hip Hop. R&B has influenced Hip Hop since the birth of Hip Hop in the 70's. And Hip Hop is the most influential genre of music globally. R&B nikkas dressed better than rappers in the 90's and 2000's for one. Diddy was always taking his style cues from R&B nigs like Ursher. And that shyt would filter into mainstream urban culture.

It is noticeable that R&B is no longer here to set a grown man standard of dressing and behaving nowadays. People dress like they rolled out of bed everyday wearing dingy Crocs everywhere. A bum ass faded black hoodie or old ass Walmart Nascar t shirt from 1990 found at any bum ass thrift store is the ultimate style statement. Whiteboys from the suburbs decide what clothes and shoes are hot. Everybody acts like a 12 year old and says whatever fowl shyt comes to mind out loud about complete strangers. Everybody is Peter Pan these days because there are no modern examples in the media of what a respectable grown ass man should dress and act like. Especially in this unoriginal monkey see monkey do ass era we live in where everyone is literally programmed by social media.

 

[Rozay Oro]

Thats all good mayne. People don't need to see things the same way, thats what makes discussion interesting but for me you've got events like shockwaves that then influence future events.

Each one creates diminishing returns for reasons explained. Without them you could argue convincingly that later outcomes would be different.

What do you think killed R&B if not the influence of rap?

We can argue New Jack Swing was more of the predecessor for Modern R&B. I’m talking Bobby and Guy. Jodeci first album is still in a romantic vain.

In the ‘00s, nikkas still had plenty of room and time to sang they heart out, not just only make fukk songs.

I think it’s trend hopping to a degree, I agree with many that labels play a role because even Jamie has said he can’t make something like his debut because he was told it won’t sell. I do think lack of effort from up and coming artists too since they always shape the culture and its current sound.

 

[Complexion]

We can argue New Jack Swing was more of the predecessor for Modern R&B. I’m talking Bobby and Guy. Jodeci first album is still in a romantic vain.

In the ‘00s, nikkas still had plenty of room and time to sang they heart out, not just only make fukk songs.

I think it’s trend hopping to a degree, I agree with many that labels play a role because even Jamie has said he can’t make something like his debut because he was told it won’t sell. I do think lack of effort from up and coming artists too since they always shape the culture and its current sound.

Breh, we're saying the same thing like a simile. I don't deny their talent or ability. I also agree their musical content and themes were R&B but where we differ is I trace the modern level of coarse vulgarity and simplicity back to the roots that fell from this seed.

Were they the first to be Bad Boys of R&B? No. That was all on B Brown as I said previously but they did ratchet it up a notch with each release and the purity of the R&B decreased steadily. Future generations followed their lead and we get to where we are the romantic aspects and emotional turmoil set to a drumbeat and harmonious melody segued almost entirely in terms of topic, style and tune to the same level of mediocrity of hip hop.

Someone said previously that R&B used to be raps smoother, older brother that was more mature. Did his own thing, with his own vibe and higher frequency of living. That all shifted as the lowest common denominator did its thing.

Its like I said about Hit Em Up and Drill. Its just how my mind makes the aural links and spots the thematic connections and what this brings. BBD as mentioned carved their own niche of hip hop infused R&B in both key and theme. Jodeci took it mainstream and made it way bigger than it had ever been and gradually pushed the levels of acceptability in content and imagery. Take it a few steps further and we're here.

Thank the industry machine for hollowing out the feels and the people who flock to it incessantly. Matter of fact I spoke about NJS and its influence previously:

Trap is this generations New Jack Swing

Check it: Both started off as a small, local offshoot styles of production that had their own distinct sound from the parent genre. Both blew up so that everyone started biting/being influenced by the wave. Both had people switching their styles up, thematically as well as musically...

www.thecoli.com

 

[NZA]

Fairly new R&B love songs






That classic don’t even have a million views. Nikkas just be talking

i would support the hell out of this right here, i just never see this pushed

 

[BigMan]

Here’s a dope ass new R&B song where the woman is supporting her man and letting him know she has his back 100%. Now will anyone listen to it? No. They’ll just be more complaints about modern women and songs like this not existing

she dropped a dope album my girl be listening to her

EDIT:
one of the few nontoxic r'7b songs that popping these days in the mainstream

 

[Standing on business]

Trey Songz fault too

He was the last of his peers and once he decided to start leaning towards rap and hip hop focused themes it was over

Went from

Trey songz fault or our fault? If you remember Trey songz was closer to traditional R&B his first two albums, even had Gerald levert in his first video. 3rd album in he cut his hair, got some muscles and was poppin bottles on that single with fabulous.

I remember on the breakfast club charlamagne telling him we want the Trey songz with the braid back, Trey songz said well y’all wasn’t buying my shyt

 

[Complexion]

Trey songz said well y’all wasn’t buying my shyt

There it is. The coarseness appeals to a way broader range of people than something on a higher level of existence.

Its the Idiocracy effect.

 

[StretfordRed]

Here’s a dope ass new R&B song where the woman is supporting her man and letting him know she has his back 100%. Now will anyone listen to it? No. They’ll just be more complaints about modern women and songs like this not existing

And she’s British!

 

[feelosofer]

Once the singers wanted to be rappers and rappers wanted to sing. Hip-hop and r&b stopped playing to each others strengths.

 

[Ol’Otis]

Trey songz said well y’all wasn’t buying my shyt

Nobody shyt was selling like that
Streaming was taking over and the quality of music really started dropping
He went back to his rapping roots

 

[WheresWallace]

Did RnB create the modern woman. Read some of baby faces lyrics then listen to the list of things woman expect from a man.

“I give good love”
“I’ll buy you clothes”
“I’ll make your dinner too, as soon as I get home from work”
“I’ll pay your rent etc”

 

[The G.O.D II]

Wrong. You can tell when folk wasn’t even there, maybe not even alive, and just guessing up some history

Jodeci was early and mid 90s. If they ‘killed’ R&B it would have been dead in the late 90s. It wasn’t. 10-15 years later we still had jagged edge, 112, Tank, Jaheim, etc

Your take is bad bc you’re focusing on the ‘look’ of the band and not the actual content, which is really where r&b eroded. Forget the look. Bc while Jodeci *looked* like this

The first song on that album was this:







Not to mention all the other love ballads they had. So OP is right. It wasn’t bands’ ‘looks’ that killed r&b, it was what women valued and stopped valuing. Putting effort gave way to being ‘cool’ and dismissive, and the r&b content followed

Naw he’s not lying. That party after party album was a wild shift. Same with R.Kelly. That’s when you started to see PA stickers on R&B albums and it hasn’t been the same since

 

[MasterThought]

Rap / street culture killed R&B. The overall image of the black man changing is what killed R&B

Black men can't be a "gentlemen" anymore.
Black men can't be "soft" and kind anymore.
Black men can't be chivalrous anymore.
Black men can't be vulnerable and express true love and admiration for women anymore.
Black men can't express wanting to be a provider & protector anymore.

These are all "simp" behaviors due to the rise of rap culture.

Rap culture eradicated the type of black man that we ourselves would want our own sisters and daughters to come across......a gentlemen who respects women.

Rap culture replaced that type of black man with the pants sagging street goon who refers to women as "b1,tches & h0es".

The black man's image being reduced to gangbangers, thugs and drugdealers is what killed R&B

On the flip side, rap culture killed the idea of the black woman and made her as being NOT WORTHY of being put on a pedestal.

Sad story all the way around.