Did Modern Women kill R&B?

[Rozay Oro]

Either you missed my point or are being deliberately obtuse. Let me put it another way:

Pac screaming Hit Em Up dropped the seed that would bloom into Drill a few generations later. If you agree then you see what I mean, if you don't thats cool too. Do you.



The Bad Boy curse strikes again!

It all does tie into that 93 hard core trend though because the game was changing. I spoke in that thread about how it partly reflects something in the people as well as sparking it within as well. Either way its interesting because if you trace the roots of the modern devolution it all traces back to what we enjoyed back when.

In 40 years they'll do the same as they listen to someone bleating like R2D2 on meth over the sound of DNA being hollowed out.

I don’t mean to be obtuse nor diminish your answer but I think it’s wrong af breh

 

[Complexion]

I don’t mean to be obtuse nor diminish your answer but I think it’s wrong af breh

Thats all good mayne. People don't need to see things the same way, thats what makes discussion interesting but for me you've got events like shockwaves that then influence future events.

Each one creates diminishing returns for reasons explained. Without them you could argue convincingly that later outcomes would be different.

What do you think killed R&B if not the influence of rap?

 

[getmoney310cpt]

Either you missed my point or are being deliberately obtuse. Let me put it another way:

Pac screaming Hit Em Up dropped the seed that would bloom into Drill a few generations later. If you agree then you see what I mean, if you don't thats cool too. Do you.



The Bad Boy curse strikes again!

It all does tie into that 93 hard core trend though because the game was changing. I spoke in that thread about how it partly reflects something in the people as well as sparking it within as well. Either way its interesting because if you trace the roots of the modern devolution it all traces back to what we enjoyed back when.

In 40 years they'll do the same as they listen to someone bleating like R2D2 on meth over the sound of DNA being hollowed out.

Lil Jon and the eastside boys started Drill if you really think about it..

 

[Rozay Oro]

Here’s a dope ass new R&B song where the woman is supporting her man and letting him know she has his back 100%. Now will anyone listen to it? No. They’ll just be more complaints about modern women and songs like this not existing

I fw Ella Mai, I’ll check this later

 

[Complexion]

Lil Jon and the eastside boys started Drill if you really think about it..

I can't say I'm familiar enough with the catalogue to comment. What are the links you witnessed?

The reason why I mentioned Hit Em Up is that was a watershed moment in rap that crossed many boundaries between art and reality. The consequences of this were well known but before that beef generally stayed on wax with an occasional bum rush or crew set trip. Take the worst of Pacs vehemence and rage, distill and amplify it and you've got the blueprint for Drill.

Pac doesn't drop Hit Em Up and the rap game in general is quite different because people have to keep upping the ante. Soon they'll be digging up their dead "opps" corpses and making music videos with them:



The thing with shock value is it becomes regular real quick and each passing generation needs a stronger dose to get the same hit as they are numbed from within.

I didn't realize it then but do now that rap is weapon.

 

[Braman]

Jodeci killed R&B.

Yeah, I said it. What? They were dope and talented but you can trace back all the modern buffoonery to this four piece who blended hip hop with R&B and polluted the stream. That said:





All that follows has to up the ante in order to stimulate the receptors of those fatigued by what they've seen and we end up with what we've got because singers didn't want to be seen as "soft".

Wrong. You can tell when folk wasn’t even there, maybe not even alive, and just guessing up some history

Jodeci was early and mid 90s. If they ‘killed’ R&B it would have been dead in the late 90s. It wasn’t. 10-15 years later we still had jagged edge, 112, Tank, Jaheim, etc

Your take is bad bc you’re focusing on the ‘look’ of the band and not the actual content, which is really where r&b eroded. Forget the look. Bc while Jodeci *looked* like this

The first song on that album was this:







Not to mention all the other love ballads they had. So OP is right. It wasn’t bands’ ‘looks’ that killed r&b, it was what women valued and stopped valuing. Putting effort gave way to being ‘cool’ and dismissive, and the r&b content followed

 

[getmoney310cpt]

I can't say I'm familiar enough with the catalogue to comment. What are the links you witnessed?

The reason why I mentioned Hit Em Up is that was a watershed moment in rap that crossed many boundaries between art and reality. The consequences of this were well known but before that beef generally stayed on wax with an occasional bum rush or crew set trip. Take the worst of Pacs vehemence and rage, distill and amplify it and you've got the blueprint for Drill.

Pac doesn't drop Hit Em Up and the rap game in general is quite different because people have to keep upping the ante. Soon they'll be digging up their dead "opps" corpses and making music videos with them:



The thing with shock value is it becomes regular real quick and each passing generation needs a stronger dose to get the same hit as they are numbed from within.

I didn't realize it then but do now that rap is weapon.

 

[dr. pill biden]

Here’s a dope ass new R&B song where the woman is supporting her man and letting him know she has his back 100%. Now will anyone listen to it? No. They’ll just be more complaints about modern women and songs like this not existing

problem with this is

1) she can’t sing (not a major problem but still)
2) this is not traditional r&b as we know it. its alternative r&b at best

when mya put out an album a few years ago she was on the radio talking about how the label actually had her put out 2, 1 r&b and 1 “traditional r&b”. they’re two diff sounds now. the loss of vocal talent and brilliant producers like baby face and darc child drives this.

but lyrically, its still not the same as traditional r&b either. i can’t even understand what this hoe singing bout forreal let alone relate to it off some i love my shawty shyt

 

[Tribal Outkast]

Here’s a dope ass new R&B song where the woman is supporting her man and letting him know she has his back 100%. Now will anyone listen to it? No. They’ll just be more complaints about modern women and songs like this not existing

Will Kandi and Tiny remake it? Did Jermaine Dupri gas it like he did that cheating song? Dope r&b is still being made, shyt just goes damn near unnoticed. I’ve found quality r&b mostly from the threads here and random Apple playlists.

 

[Standing on business]

problem with this is

1) she can’t sing (not a major problem but still)
2) this is not traditional r&b as we know it. its alternative r&b at best

when mya put out an album a few years ago she was on the radio talking about how the label actually had her put out 2, 1 r&b and 1 “traditional r&b”. they’re two diff sounds now. the loss of vocal talent and brilliant producers like baby face and darc child drives this.

but lyrically, its still not the same as traditional r&b either. i can’t even understand what this hoe singing bout forreal let alone relate to it off some i love my shawty shyt

Naw this right here is the real problem, nikkas aren’t going to like anything new because it’s not “traditional R&B as they know it”

The whole world cries for R&B but then nikkas like tank, Raheem devaughn and even new artist like lucky daye stay flopping

 

[Kliq_Souf]

To answer OP's question... NO!

Most women I know still love genuine RnB
They basically the ones supporting and showing up to the shows to those artists that still make traditional RnB.

Maybe 25 and under women don't, but I'm not in that age range so I cant speak on it...

And it's not in the forefront of today's music scene.... and honestly who gives AF because Radio is dead
listen to what you want to listen to... its out there in abundance

 

[Standing on business]

Will Kandi and Tiny remake it? Did Jermaine Dupri gas it like he did that cheating song? Dope r&b is still being made, shyt just goes damn near unnoticed. I’ve found quality r&b mostly from the threads here and random Apple playlists.

I agree 100%. a lot of great ones are being made that I mostly discover on Tidal and Apple Music, and you are correct they aren’t being pushed to the forefront.

 

[Complexion]

I really miss genuine Soul/R&B.

From the start to when it got diluted and reframed there were some amazing vocalists, production and lyrics. Easily one of the best genres as the tunes moved you and were saturated with emotion.

Still we've got loads of bangers on deck and the net makes finding gems you missed the first time round even easier so it is what it is. Hopefully one day we witness an artistic renaissance as people come to their senses and reconnect to their chest instead of the genital to head bypass era we're currently living in where people are afraid of feeling and being authentic with anything other than hatred or self aggrandizement.

Show me a modern artist that can drop something like this:

 

[Standing on business]

Fairly new R&B love songs






That classic don’t even have a million views. Nikkas just be talking

 

[Tribal Outkast]

Fairly new R&B love songs






That classic don’t even have a million views. Nikkas just be talking

This one goes!