Did LL Cool J really best Kool Moe Dee or did he just reap the benefits of being the younger artist? | @DadBodRapPod Podcast

[SAJ!!]

Mama Said Knock you out And Break of Dawn ended that shyt. Stop with the revisionists history

As well as Murdergram, quiet as it's kept.

As I said elsewhere, folks there days would rather lie and give honor to Moe Dee than admit that the young whippersnapper from Queens put the old man from Harlem to rest.

 

[Erratic415]

I always liked Kool Moe Dee’s actual disses towards LL more than vice versa.

But obviously LL made better music and adapted with the times better. It was the early 90s and KMD rapped like it was 1984

 

[I love Latina women]

I always liked Kool Moe Dee’s actual disses towards LL more than vice versa.

But obviously LL made better music and adapted with the times better. It was the early 90s and KMD rapped like it was 1984

Kool Moe Dee never gets the props he deserves

I was listening to Funke Funke Wisdom album last weekend and for an old school album, that shyt still hits hard.

But you're right, LL adapted better with the times

 

[Erratic415]

Kool Moe Dee never gets the props he deserves

I was listening to Funke Funke Wisdom album last weekend and for an old school album, that shyt still hits hard.

But you're right, LL adapted better with the times

I liked KMD’s acronyms for LL. Those songs were funny.

I always liked LL’s verse at Ice T more than Hammer and KMD in Da Break of Dawn

 

[get these nets]

I love Moe Dee, but LL is undefeated

He got 2nd Round Knocked Out by Canibus.

 

[I love Latina women]

I liked KMD’s acronyms for LL. Those songs were funny.

I always liked LL’s verse at Ice T more than Hammer and KMD in Da Break of Dawn

Same here

Other than him not being able to adapt with times, I often times wonder why Kool Moe Dee doesn't get more respect.

I think another part of it is, he's always come brashly self confident and my guess is after while, maybe to some he just seemed like a man stuck in the past.

But Kool Moe Dee is the shyt.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

LL lost. I was alive and well living this in real time. He lost simple and plain, but he was a huge star with the Def Jam machine behind him. I'm a fan of both LL and KMD, but lyrically, he lost to both KMD and Canibus and it wasn't even close. Back in 98 when people were actually saying "the ripper strikes back" was a good diss, I knew hip hop was heading into a direction that could not be reversed. And here we are today debating sales and IG followers as to who is the better "lyricist"

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

Same here

Other than him not being able to adapt with times, I often times wonder why Kool Moe Dee doesn't get more respect.

I think another part of it is, he's always come brashly self confident and my guess is after while, maybe to some he just seemed like a man stuck in the past.

But Kool Moe Dee is the shyt.

The same reason everyone's top 10 rappers, basketball players, and football list is composed of 90% of players they've only seen.. People like to be a part of history to the point they CREATE history just to feel important. Just as every week in the NBA, you will see a headline:

"___________ is the first player to have 15 points, 10 rebounds, and 2 steals, hit three 3pointers, on a Tuesday when it was a full moon and raining after eating 2 hot dogs"


With the internet, EVERYONE has a voice, even people that know absolutely nothing about what they are reporting. There are people that can't name one album past the year of 2013, but they will debate with you about who is an all time great MC. Does that make any fukking sense?

 

[I love Latina women]

The same reason everyone's top 10 rappers, basketball players, and football list is composed of 90% of players they've only seen.. People like to be a part of history to the point they CREATE history just to feel important. Just as every week in the NBA, you will see a headline:

"___________ is the first player to have 15 points, 10 rebounds, and 2 steals, hit three 3pointers, on a Tuesday when it was a full moon and raining after eating 2 hot dogs"


With the internet, EVERYONE has a voice, even people that know absolutely nothing about what they are reporting. There are people that can't name one album past the year of 2013, but they will debate with you about who is an all time great MC. Does that make any fukking sense?

You right

This post is on point

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

Kool Moe Dee never gets the props he deserves

I was listening to Funke Funke Wisdom album last weekend and for an old school album, that shyt still hits hard.

But you're right, LL adapted better with the times

LL, Jay Z, and Michael Jackson didn't necessarily "adapt" as to explain it, but they aligned themselves with whomever was hot at the moment to stay relevant. I guess you can that adapting, but each of the those 3 at some point in their career would link up with the hotttest artists every couple years to get their fan base. And I'm not knocking it, cuz it clearly worked in their favor, but some people just aren't willing to do that.

Jay Z came out fukin with primo, biggie, tried to get Nas on his first lp. A year later he's doing songs over 80s pop hits that was hitting at the time. A year later did a a song with DMX who was HOT in 1998. That same year he jumped in the "ha" remix. A year later did another song with juvenile and you pretty much get the picture. He aligned himself with the hottest acts and nothing is wrong with it.

LL's career came to a make or break album in 1990 and he hooked up with the hottest producer at the time (marley marl). 3 years later he was rhyming over hard beats that were meant for groups like Onyx or Lords of the underground and people trashed the album. 2 years later he links up with Boyz 2 men that ha just sold about 8 million records, Keith murray, fat joe, and prodigy were all rising stars and hot at the moment. 2 years later the same thing with 4,3,2,1, even adding Master P to the remix and so forth

Michael Jackson went from working with Quincy Jones for 3 albums, to Teddy Riley and the new jack swing sound in 1991(song with Heavy D, who was a top artist), next album had a song written by R kelly and song with Biggie and then went to Darkchild.

It's smart, but some people choose not to play the game for fame.

 

[surv2syn]

My brothers were 7 and 9 years older than me. LL was my favorite rapper. They loved Moe Dee because he was old school. As much as I hated it, and I really hated it, Let’s Go was about as scathing a diss as you could get. Moe Dee won the rap battle easy. I felt like L didn’t try to go hard on him because Moe Dee was too dangerous to him. He actually did put a dent in L career and L kinda treaded lightly and waited him out because his brand was in and Moe Dee was on the way out.

Looking back L was smart not to poke the bear. The older crowd was waiting for a champion to go against the young lion and it revitalized them. So much so that L nearly met his demise with Walking With A Panther. Everyone was saying the album was weak. Only the Jingling Baby remix saved his ass. Arsenio played them against each other by having L on first then Moe Dee after and Moe Dee said set up a boxing ring and he would beat L in that too. L was really smart or someone in his team was. If Moe Dee would have been a young artist it would’ve been similar to Ja/50 turnover.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

My brothers were 7 and 9 years older than me. LL was my favorite rapper. They loved Moe Dee because he was old school. As much as I hated it, and I really hated it, Let’s Go was about as scathing a diss as you could get. Moe Dee won the rap battle easy. I felt like L didn’t try to go hard on him because Moe Dee was too dangerous to him. He actually did put a dent in L career and L kinda treaded lightly and waited him out because his brand was in and Moe Dee was on the way out.

Looking back L was smart not to poke the bear. The older crowd was waiting for a champion to go against the young lion and it revitalized them. So much so that L nearly met his demise with Walking With A Panther. Everyone was saying the album was weak. Only the Jingling Baby remix saved his ass. Arsenio played them against each other by having L on first then Moe Dee after and Moe Dee said set up a boxing ring and he would beat L in that too. L was really smart or someone in his team was. If Moe Dee would have been a young artist it would’ve been similar to Ja/50 turnover.

on top of that, After Walking with a Panther, the black power phase of Public Enemy and Afrocentricity was starting to rise in hip hop. People were getting tired of LL with that ladies shyt and the jewelry and he was actually booed in NY. So then he gets Marley, appears in the Intellegent Hoodlum "black and proud" video, does a conscious song on Mama Said Knock you out (Illegal search) and the rest is history. I keep telling these young mutha fukkas up here that back in the day, you didn't get 3,,4, or 5 albums to get it right. If you were at a phase in your career that people weren't feeling you, you had 1 albums to make it right. I said that about the Nas/Stillmatic album. That was his make or break album. LL's was Mama said knock you out. Then he dropped 14 shots to the dome(that got bad reviews due to the bad choice of singles) and Mr Smith saved him again. That MF LL got 9 lives

 

[TrapHouse Rock]

Kool Dee never fell off (but his production did holy shyt the last T3 and solo album he did might have the worst production I've ever heard)

This joint was in 1994 and went completely under the radar

 

[TEH]

LL won

Moe Dee was perceived as corny and when that happens you lose by default.

When you sound dated no words can save you.

Remember when Melli Mel went against Eminem … yeah it was like that at the time …

 

[DontEemTry]

LL, Jay Z, and Michael Jackson didn't necessarily "adapt" as to explain it, but they aligned themselves with whomever was hot at the moment to stay relevant. I guess you can that adapting, but each of the those 3 at some point in their career would link up with the hotttest artists every couple years to get their fan base. And I'm not knocking it, cuz it clearly worked in their favor, but some people just aren't willing to do that.

Jay Z came out fukin with primo, biggie, tried to get Nas on his first lp. A year later he's doing songs over 80s pop hits that was hitting at the time. A year later did a a song with DMX who was HOT in 1998. That same year he jumped in the "ha" remix. A year later did another song with juvenile and you pretty much get the picture. He aligned himself with the hottest acts and nothing is wrong with it.

LL's career came to a make or break album in 1990 and he hooked up with the hottest producer at the time (marley marl). 3 years later he was rhyming over hard beats that were meant for groups like Onyx or Lords of the underground and people trashed the album. 2 years later he links up with Boyz 2 men that ha just sold about 8 million records, Keith murray, fat joe, and prodigy were all rising stars and hot at the moment. 2 years later the same thing with 4,3,2,1, even adding Master P to the remix and so forth

Michael Jackson went from working with Quincy Jones for 3 albums, to Teddy Riley and the new jack swing sound in 1991(song with Heavy D, who was a top artist), next album had a song written by R kelly and song with Biggie and then went to Darkchild.

It's smart, but some people choose not to play the game for fame.

This sounds way too simplistic. Of course when the era changes the nikkas that make it are the ones that can adapt. Calling it "aligning" with hot artists is dumb because it works both ways. Do you think Teddy wasn't excited to be working with MJ? Do you think Boyz II Men were turning up their nose about working with LL?

Even right now the nikka that these new nikkas would kill for a verse from is Jay, whether he's washed or not.