Did Anyone **** On Steve Nash Over The Years More Than Kobe Bryant Fans?

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Better Thread Question: Has Anyone shyt on Steve Nash in One Play More Than Kobe Bryant Did?

Hold Muh Dikkkkkkk!!

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

You putting way too much effort into this, b. You care.

All that research to dispute the claim that Kobe is a poor shooter when no one even said that. That was 5 minutes of life you just wasted, breh.

Not to mention the 10 minutes you spent looking for videos to post about LeBron when no one mentioned him either.

Instead of posting in forums, you should just start a blog. That way you can post as much random stuff as you want and not have us all looking like

 

[YBE]

All that research to dispute the claim that Kobe is a poor shooter when no one even said that. That was 5 minutes of life you just wasted, breh.

So you didn't say Kobe was a poor shooter?

But Kobe's shooting numbers have always been . In 05-06 they were on par with his career percentages, but still .

So....that's not you? That's not your words right there? That's not you talking that dumb shyt? I must've read wrong? You must've meant flabby & sick in a good way.

Armchair sports analysts. Hate em. If Kobe is a poor shooter, half the nikkas who played professional basketball are poor shooters and this is with 5 minute search. Lord knows how many other players I could find

Kobe Bryant - 45.3%fg
Ray Allen - 45.2fg%
Reggie Miller - 47.1%fg
Isiah Thomas - 45.2%fg
Dominique Wilkins - 46.2%fg
Joe Dumars - 46.0%fg
Elgin Baylor - 43.1%fg
Rick Barry - 45.6%fg
Pete Maravich - 44.1%fg
Tim Hardaway - 43.1%fg
Penny Hardaway - 45.8%fg
Brandon Roy - 46.0%fg
Monta Ellis - 46.4%fg
Stephon Marbury - 43.4%fg
John Wall - 41.6%fg
Sam Cassell - 45.4%fg
Rudy Gay - 45.6%fg
OJ Mayo - 43.3%fg
Latrell Sprewell - 42.5%fg
Eric Gordon - 45.2%fg
Gary Payton - 46.6%fg
Deron Williams - 45.5%fg
Derrick Rose - 46.4%fg
Russell Westbrook - 43.0%fg
Tracy McGrady - 43.0%fg
Paul Pierce - 44.8%fg
Carmello Anthony - 45.6%fg
Vince Carter - 44.4%fg
Steve Francis - 42.9%fg
Chauncey Billups - 41.9%fg

Not only are you a moron, you can't remember shyt you posted 10 minutes ago. Own up to your stupidity. You call Kobe's shooting poor, you calling half of the NBA the same.

 

[Bilz]

Says the moron attempting to discount one of the best scoring seasons IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT.


"But but Kobe just took alot of shots"


"But but anybody could do that taking 40 shots"


"But but Kobe's fg% was still the same"


"But but Lebron could've did that too"

"But but"


Get mad Get furious Get irate

Lebron will never do what Kobe did back then. Nobody besides Jordan or Wilt could and nothing your bytch ass says about it will change that fact. Chump

What you're missing is that it's not that other players can't do that stuff, it's that they won't. You can play NBA2k with just about any player in the league and make him a 50 ppg scorer. There's just a huge dropoff in efficiency when you do that. Selective memory tells you that Kobe just flat out dominated those years but you're forgetting all of the 10-28, 9-33, 14-37 statlines that fall in between the 60 point outbursts. Those games are why you don't see that type of offense utilized. It's erratic and it's inefficient.

When LeBron shoots 25+ times a game, I'm sure he averages 35-40 or maybe more. I'm sure there are similar stats for other elite wing players as well. If they wanted to, they could all instantly re-create that 2006 Lakers situation and it will be one player carrying the load and the rest of the players seemingly doing very little to keep the boat sailing in the right direction...but why would they? It's not the best way to win. To win consistently, it has to be a team effort and Kobe learned that the hard way.

 

[YBE]

What you're missing is that it's not that other players can't do that stuff, it's that they won't. You can play NBA2k with just about any player in the league and make him a 50 ppg scorer. There's just a huge dropoff in efficiency when you do that. Selective memory tells you that Kobe just flat out dominated those years but you're forgetting all of the 10-28, 9-33, 14-37 statlines that fall in between the 60 point outbursts. Those games are why you don't see that type of offense utilized. It's erratic and it's inefficient.

When LeBron shoots 25+ times a game, I'm sure he averages 35-40 or maybe more. I'm sure there are similar stats for other elite wing players as well. If they wanted to, they could all instantly re-create that 2006 Lakers situation and it will be one player carrying the load and the rest of the players seemingly doing very little to keep the boat sailing in the right direction...but why would they? It's not the best way to win. To win consistently, it has to be a team effort and Kobe learned that the hard way.

Bilz, despite our exchanges, I dont got a problem with you and I see your POV. Just see mine. We could say Kobe was ball-hogging. We could say others could've did it too. But, trying to play down what Kobe did as anything but, extraordinary is nothing but hate.

"81 points? ehh. He just took alot of shots"

That's some grade A haterism.

 

[rapbeats]

What you're missing is that it's not that other players can't do that stuff, it's that they won't. You can play NBA2k with just about any player in the league and make him a 50 ppg scorer. There's just a huge dropoff in efficiency when you do that. Selective memory tells you that Kobe just flat out dominated those years but you're forgetting all of the 10-28, 9-33, 14-37 statlines that fall in between the 60 point outbursts. Those games are why you don't see that type of offense utilized. It's erratic and it's inefficient.

When LeBron shoots 25+ times a game, I'm sure he averages 35-40 or maybe more. I'm sure there are similar stats for other elite wing players as well. If they wanted to, they could all instantly re-create that 2006 Lakers situation and it will be one player carrying the load and the rest of the players seemingly doing very little to keep the boat sailing in the right direction...but why would they? It's not the best way to win. To win consistently, it has to be a team effort and Kobe learned that the hard way.

you're half right and half wrong. its not the way to win WHEN you have a better group of teammates. but when you have a teammate named kwame brown who mid game says "hey kobe. dont pass me the ball anymore." because he was afraid they would foul him and he would miss the ft's. then you know you have to do it all by your lonesome. when you have another guy like luke walton a great passer but a guy who over passes and is afraid of his own ability to shoot. you know you have to take over the game and do it by your lonesome. the game he scored 81 points. guess why he did that? the lakers were DOWN playing team ball with a horrible group of teammates outside of LO who is also a pass first guy.

Listen. smush is no longer a nba player. B.cook is barely hanging on. kwame didnt want the ball. luke didnt want the ball. how on earth can you win games like that unless you do it all alone. he had to single handedly beat a team in order for the lakers to win that game. there was no making his teammates better. well actually there was but they were originally so bad, better wasnt good enough. if you check their stats before some guys became lakers, their fg%'s actually got better around kobe.

there isnt a single player i have ever seen. that could take a team that bad to the first round in the Best conf and darn near sting the 2nd best team in the west. no LBJ, not JORDAN( I SAID IT). not anyone but mr 81.
its not that other guys could score like that. they cant or couldnt. its because they cant shoot as well as him. therefore they can only be so hot from distance. you cant score 80 points going to the rack every time. you will run out of gas, get hurt, or just start missing due to the entire team being in the paint waiting on you. kobe bryant is Allan Houston + Jordan. thats why and how he could score like that. in addition. i remembered watching Jordan score a ton of points. after the game he looked waisted. he was done. sweating bullets. but when kobe would do it. he looked as if he was ready to go another few qtrs. thats when i realized that this guy probably has a larger lung capacity then even some of these greats. and no i'm not joking. that right there gives him an advantage that cant be matched.

 

[YBE]

you're half right and half wrong. its not the way to win WHEN you have a better group of teammates. but when you have a teammate named kwame brown who mid game says "hey kobe. dont pass me the ball anymore." because he was afraid they would foul him and he would miss the ft's. then you know you have to do it all by your lonesome. when you have another guy like luke walton a great passer but a guy who over passes and is afraid of his own ability to shoot. you know you have to take over the game and do it by your lonesome. the game he scored 81 points. guess why he did that? the lakers were DOWN playing team ball with a horrible group of teammates outside of LO who is also a pass first guy.

Listen. smush is no longer a nba player. B.cook is barely hanging on. kwame didnt want the ball. luke didnt want the ball. how on earth can you win games like that unless you do it all alone. he had to single handedly beat a team in order for the lakers to win that game. there was no making his teammates better. well actually there was but they were originally so bad, better wasnt good enough. if you check their stats before some guys became lakers, their fg%'s actually got better around kobe.

there isnt a single player i have ever seen. that could take a team that bad to the first round in the Best conf and darn near sting the 2nd best team in the west. no LBJ, not JORDAN( I SAID IT). not anyone but mr 81.
its not that other guys could score like that. they cant or couldnt. its because they cant shoot as well as him. therefore they can only be so hot from distance. you cant score 80 points going to the rack every time. you will run out of gas, get hurt, or just start missing due to the entire team being in the paint waiting on you. kobe bryant is Allan Houston + Jordan. thats why and how he could score like that. in addition. i remembered watching Jordan score a ton of points. after the game he looked waisted. he was done. sweating bullets. but when kobe would do it. he looked as if he was ready to go another few qtrs. thats when i realized that this guy probably has a larger lung capacity then even some of these greats. and no i'm not joking. that right there gives him an advantage that cant be matched.

My Shooting GAWD

 

[rapbeats]

What you're missing is that it's not that other players can't do that stuff, it's that they won't. You can play NBA2k with just about any player in the league and make him a 50 ppg scorer. There's just a huge dropoff in efficiency when you do that. Selective memory tells you that Kobe just flat out dominated those years but you're forgetting all of the 10-28, 9-33, 14-37 statlines that fall in between the 60 point outbursts. Those games are why you don't see that type of offense utilized. It's erratic and it's inefficient.

When LeBron shoots 25+ times a game, I'm sure he averages 35-40 or maybe more. I'm sure there are similar stats for other elite wing players as well. If they wanted to, they could all instantly re-create that 2006 Lakers situation and it will be one player carrying the load and the rest of the players seemingly doing very little to keep the boat sailing in the right direction...but why would they? It's not the best way to win. To win consistently, it has to be a team effort and Kobe learned that the hard way.

and let me add.

you said it doesnt produce winning shooting 25+ times. well for kobe it wins more then it loses games.

reality check

when kobe shoots 25 or more since his rookie season until today.
104 wins
32 loses.

Thats a whopping 76% win percentage when shooting the ball 25 times or more.

and he did it shooting 48% lol at that being a bad fg% for a guard.


THis means that the reason kobe wins so much and has such a good percentage when shooting that many times. is like what he said in that interview he had yesterday when talking about the 81 pt game. the guy asked him what is it or how do you know. he said he knows he can get FIRE hot. every nba player thats a scorer. gets FIRE hot in comparison to your favorite street baller, college player. but kobe in comparison to your favorite nba scorer gets FIRE hot more then even those guys. ELITE scorer in the company of ELITES. he is the best perimeter scorer we have ever seen. better then MJ my friends. because his jumper was colder from a younger point in his career til now where as mj started to shoot his jumper later in his career.

 

[Bilz]

Bilz, despite our exchanges, I dont got a problem with you and I see your POV. Just see mine. We could say Kobe was ball-hogging. We could say others could've did it too. But, trying to play down what Kobe did as anything but, extraordinary is nothing but hate.

"81 points? ehh. He just took alot of shots"

That's some grade A haterism.

It's really more that I just don't think single games can be used to define players. He has scored 81 points once, I'll even be generous and sasy he would have done it twice if he played the 4th quarter against Dallas. Still that's 2 games out of 1200 or however many he has played. They're the exception, not the norm.

They're great performances and they're cool for trivia but they're not the end all. Mark Whiten had a 4 home run game. Hank Aaron never did. Neither did Barry Bonds. Or Mickey Mantle. Or Babe Ruth. Does it mean Mark Whiten had more power than any of those guys? Or that those guys weren't capable of doing it? Of course not, it just means it never happened.

81 points is much different of course since just about every baseball player gets at least 4 at bats per game and could conceivably hit 4 home runs. Very few players ever even get enough shot attempts to score 81....even if they shoot 100% from the field. Kobe is really the only player we've seen that has made a habit of taking enough shots to hit a number like that. If Durant or LeBron each had 5-10 games of taking somewhere between 40-50 shot attempts, I like their chances of getting hot and having at least one obscene scoring total to show for it.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

So you didn't say Kobe was a poor shooter?

So....that's not you? That's not your words right there? That's not you talking that dumb shyt? I must've read wrong? You must've meant flabby & sick in a good way.



Not only are you a moron, you can't remember shyt you posted 10 minutes ago. Own up to your stupidity. You call Kobe's shooting poor, you calling half of the NBA the same.

Kobe takes a lot of bad shots. Deny this and there's no need in continuing.

Now if you decided to be real about that fact, then hear the rest. I NEVER said Kobe was a poor shooter. You either made that up or simply don't understand.

None of those guys you listed take as many shots as Kobe. 1 for 4 is the same percentage as 6 for 24, but 24 is way more shots and 18 is way more misses.

Now, you're the one talking about "amrchair analysts" and then you post this nonsense. No type of shooting chart, no number of attempts... Just some percentages. Well let's base everything off that then .

When I say Kobe's percentages are it has nothing to do with numbers and everything I see in game. I see this nikka take A LOT of bad shots. He makes a lot of shots he has no business making. If he missed ALL of his bad shots he'd be shooting somewhere in the 30's but that attests to how great he is.

Stop sounding like a bytch and crying hate all the damn time. Nobody is hating on Kobe Bryant. And if I was, why the fukk would you be so emotional about it, hoe?

 

[Bilz]

and let me add.

you said it doesnt produce winning shooting 25+ times. well for kobe it wins more then it loses games.

reality check

Thats a whopping 76% win percentage when shooting the ball 25 times or more.

and he did it shooting 48% lol at that being a bad fg% for a guard.

I just counted 40 losses in the 2006 and 2007 seasons alone How does he have a 104-32 record over 16 years if only two years account for 40 losses?

 

[Bilz]

you're half right and half wrong. its not the way to win WHEN you have a better group of teammates. but when you have a teammate named kwame brown who mid game says "hey kobe. dont pass me the ball anymore." because he was afraid they would foul him and he would miss the ft's. then you know you have to do it all by your lonesome. when you have another guy like luke walton a great passer but a guy who over passes and is afraid of his own ability to shoot. you know you have to take over the game and do it by your lonesome. the game he scored 81 points. guess why he did that? the lakers were DOWN playing team ball with a horrible group of teammates outside of LO who is also a pass first guy.

Listen. smush is no longer a nba player. B.cook is barely hanging on. kwame didnt want the ball. luke didnt want the ball. how on earth can you win games like that unless you do it all alone. he had to single handedly beat a team in order for the lakers to win that game. there was no making his teammates better. well actually there was but they were originally so bad, better wasnt good enough. if you check their stats before some guys became lakers, their fg%'s actually got better around kobe.

there isnt a single player i have ever seen. that could take a team that bad to the first round in the Best conf and darn near sting the 2nd best team in the west. no LBJ, not JORDAN( I SAID IT). not anyone but mr 81.
its not that other guys could score like that. they cant or couldnt. its because they cant shoot as well as him. therefore they can only be so hot from distance. you cant score 80 points going to the rack every time. you will run out of gas, get hurt, or just start missing due to the entire team being in the paint waiting on you. kobe bryant is Allan Houston + Jordan. thats why and how he could score like that. in addition. i remembered watching Jordan score a ton of points. after the game he looked waisted. he was done. sweating bullets. but when kobe would do it. he looked as if he was ready to go another few qtrs. thats when i realized that this guy probably has a larger lung capacity then even some of these greats. and no i'm not joking. that right there gives him an advantage that cant be matched.

Kobe was surrounded by deferential team players. If one player is demanding the ball, they defer but they didn't do all that bad without Kobe and Laker teams have historically had a great winning percentage in the games Kobe has missed. In one of the weak years in 2005, he missed a month and the team was still close to .500 without him. In recent years, the team has had a great winning percentage without Kobe and the players known for being weak and scared have stepped up in big moments without around to demand the ball from them.

Again, you're forgetting all of the times that Kobe scored 20 points in the first quarter and then shot bricks the rest of the game. You're forgetting the games where he never had it to begin with. You're judging Kobe only by his peaks and other players by their valleys. That's why you see him as standing so far above the others.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Why does this shyt always devolve into the same routine?

Bottom line issue: Kobe did not qualify for MVP consideration on bad teams. You may think it seems "out of place" historically for Steve Nash to have 2 MVP awards but he was the most qualified based on traditionally criteria.

Sidebar bottom line: Kobe is a great scorer and all-time great sg. Not as good as Jordan. Constant attempts to bring up the latter not only reflects unfavorably on any argument you might be trying to make in favor of Kobe but also on your own insecurity and ignorance as a fan.

The end.

 

[YBE]

Kobe takes a lot of bad shots. Deny this and there's no need in continuing.

Now if you decided to be real about that fact, then hear the rest. I NEVER said Kobe was a poor shooter. You either made that up or simply don't understand.

None of those guys you listed take as many shots as Kobe. 1 for 4 is the same percentage as 6 for 24, but 24 is way more shots and 18 is way more misses.

Now, you're the one talking about "amrchair analysts" and then you post this nonsense. No type of shooting chart, no number of attempts... Just some percentages. Well let's base everything off that then .

When I say Kobe's percentages are it has nothing to do with numbers and everything I see in game. I see this nikka take A LOT of bad shots. He makes a lot of shots he has no business making. If he missed ALL of his bad shots he'd be shooting somewhere in the 30's but that attests to how great he is.

Stop sounding like a bytch and crying hate all the damn time. Nobody is hating on Kobe Bryant. And if I was, why the fukk would you be so emotional about it, hoe?

fukk outta here clown. i quoted your post. how can i make up shyt that YOU typed under your screen name.

just admit it & be done with it.

 

[Michael Jordan]

Steve Nash is good, Kobe is a top 15 sg