Did Anyone **** On Steve Nash Over The Years More Than Kobe Bryant Fans?

[rapbeats]

What you're missing is that it's not that other players can't do that stuff, it's that they won't. You can play NBA2k with just about any player in the league and make him a 50 ppg scorer. There's just a huge dropoff in efficiency when you do that. Selective memory tells you that Kobe just flat out dominated those years but you're forgetting all of the 10-28, 9-33, 14-37 statlines that fall in between the 60 point outbursts. Those games are why you don't see that type of offense utilized. It's erratic and it's inefficient.

When LeBron shoots 25+ times a game, I'm sure he averages 35-40 or maybe more. I'm sure there are similar stats for other elite wing players as well. If they wanted to, they could all instantly re-create that 2006 Lakers situation and it will be one player carrying the load and the rest of the players seemingly doing very little to keep the boat sailing in the right direction...but why would they? It's not the best way to win. To win consistently, it has to be a team effort and Kobe learned that the hard way.

and let me add.

you said it doesnt produce winning shooting 25+ times. well for kobe it wins more then it loses games.

reality check

when kobe shoots 25 or more since his rookie season until today.
193 wins
163 loses.

Thats a whopping 54% win percentage when shooting the ball 25 times or more.

and he did it shooting 45% lol at that being a bad fg% for a guard.


THis means that the reason kobe wins so much and has such a good percentage when shooting that many times. is like what he said in that interview he had yesterday when talking about the 81 pt game. the guy asked him what is it or how do you know. he said he knows he can get FIRE hot. every nba player thats a scorer. gets FIRE hot in comparison to your favorite street baller, college player. but kobe in comparison to your favorite nba scorer gets FIRE hot more then even those guys. ELITE scorer in the company of ELITES. he is the best perimeter scorer we have ever seen. better then MJ my friends. because his jumper was colder from a younger point in his career til now where as mj started to shoot his jumper later in his career.

STATS ARE CORRECTED. thanks for pointing that out. i was looking at the total like . but i say ey, whatever. i forgot to hit next page like 3 times. haa haa.

points still made. not as glaring. but the point remains the same. i have some new stats for you as well.

we're just talking about the 2 years nash won MVP.

here's the criteria

In a single game, from 2004-05 to 2005-06, in the regular season, requiring Field Goal Attempts >= 25, sorted by ascending Date

HE WON 51% OF THE GAMES WHEN HE SHOT MORE THEN 25 TIMES.thats a winning percentage.

with a HORRIBLE team. worse team then nash had by a lot. worse team then bron has ever had by a mile.

the truth is, bron just got one ship this summer. ONE. all that in season winning being mr pass first = ZERO rings unless you're a great PG like magic that knows when to score as well. you have to balance it. but you also have to play some defense. since the suns team played zero defense they lost. since lebron over passed in key moments he lost.

kobe kept chucking and ended up with 5 rings 3 at once, then 2 at once while going to the finals a ton of times.

lebron realized vs the celtics this year. Forget the rest of these clowns. I"m taking over. FINALLY he realized the kobe way is the winning way. you can be a pass first guy if your team is full of hall of famers who still have it (RONDO with the big 3 during their one ring run).

but you cant do that when you have a normal team. even the heat with a hurt dwade that has a questionable jumpshot while teams are packing the paint. a hurt bosh and battier, miller who may or may not show up from the 3pt line. thank goodness they showed up.

 

[Reid2Achieve]

I don't think Laker fans hate him, they are just salty. It doesn't sting as much now that the Lakers have won 2 Championships since the rivalry began.


I think the Spurs/Suns is more toxic, because they beat the Suns just about every year, and Horry did the dirty shoulder on Nash that changed that one series and got a lot of Suns players suspended.

 

[rapbeats]

Kobe was surrounded by deferential team players. If one player is demanding the ball, they defer but they didn't do all that bad without Kobe and Laker teams have historically had a great winning percentage in the games Kobe has missed. In one of the weak years in 2005, he missed a month and the team was still close to .500 without him. In recent years, the team has had a great winning percentage without Kobe and the players known for being weak and scared have stepped up in big moments without around to demand the ball from them.

Again, you're forgetting all of the times that Kobe scored 20 points in the first quarter and then shot bricks the rest of the game. You're forgetting the games where he never had it to begin with. You're judging Kobe only by his peaks and other players by their valleys. That's why you see him as standing so far above the others.

no i see him standing above the others with 5 rings.

dont give me that crap about lbj didnt have the squad. his team was good enough to break records at home, and run up the win numbers during the season multipel times in cleveland. but yet when the pressure was on and he had to face grown men that still had it. he folded. and decided to pass off game winner shots. or over pass during times where he should've done his bulldoze move. or taken the jumper that he's worked on over the summer with confidence.

kobe's confidence in his abilities is the reason why he has 5 rings. same with mj and his 6, same with magic and his 5. same with fisher and his 5. these dudes aint afraid of the moment wont blink when it happens. luckily for lbj he was playing 2 children here were not that bright and had an all athletics game and nothing else. i'm glad LB finally got that monkey off of his back. but he still needs to beat some real vet savvy dude that still has it. a full team. or maybe for his sake he never has to. cause all those guys will be to old by then anyway. he may be able to run a few off in a weak league. sound famliar? that guy did the same thing. magic on his last leg, bird on his last leg, he got to beat up on detroit once they got to old to whip him. he beat up on pat ewing and his incomplete team, etc, etc.

 

[Bilz]

rapbeats, I have a feeling Kobe's team winning percentage is a lot higher than 54% over his career considering his teams have been in the playoffs almost every year. If you want to do the math, feel free, but rough math says that his team's record when he shoots < 25 times is MUCH better than his team's record when he shoots > 25 times. In other words, it's not a winning strategy. It doesn't make his team more likely to win. That's my point about why more players aren't doing it.

 

[MoneyTron]

rapbeats, I have a feeling Kobe's team winning percentage is a lot higher than 54% over his career considering his teams have been in the playoffs almost every year. If you want to do the math, feel free, but rough math says that his team's record when he shoots < 25 times is MUCH better than his team's record when he shoots > 25 times. In other words, it's not a winning strategy. It doesn't make his team more likely to win. That's my point about why more players aren't doing it.

That might be the case. But it's very obvious that he shoots less when his supporting cast is up to par vs subpar.

Those shytty teams depended on his shooting the ball to score. Period.

No amount of playmaking was saving Smush and Kwame. You can point out some small sample sizes of the Lakers doing OK without him, but to keeping that up for an enitre season would be damn near impossible for those guys.

 

[Bilz]

That might be the case. But it's very obvious that he shoots less when his supporting cast is up to par vs subpar.

Those shytty teams depended on his shooting the ball to score. Period.

No amount of playmaking was saving Smush and Kwame. You can point out some small sample sizes of the Lakers doing OK without him, but to keeping that up for an enitre season would be damn near impossible for those guys.

It's true that he did his most shameless chucking when he had subpar teammates but "Psycho Bean" switched on and off without warning throughout the years. Sometimes he gunned because his teammates weren't hitting, sometimes his teammates were spectators because he was gunning on his own and froze them out. I know a lot of the Kobe fans get mad when Kobe gets passed to when there is 2-3 seconds left on the shot clock but a lot of times, he dribbled off a lot of that clock on his own, passed out when he picked up his dribble, and then demanded the ball back in the post. What choice did his teammates really have if he was the one killing the clock and he was the one asking for the ball back? His inability to differentiate good shots from bad shots makes him his own worst enemy sometimes.